Re: KC Jones, you better watch your speed
 

That is what is known in the business as honkey talk. Total BS.

Woman had the best hair of the 70s. No contest.

Re: KC Jones, you better watch your speed
 

If any of you are looking for a good target for a securities fraud case - how about a board member who says he's only looking out for himself while sucking over $40M from a failing public company?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

New theory: Trump knew tax scams and all his other crimes would come out and he would get an effective pardon. Hillary cannot prosecute.


Edit- my daughter, who is considering law school, suggests Obama pardon Trump a week before the election.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Only problem is that those things probably wouldn't have come out if he wasn't running for president.

Nonetheless, it's hard to see him being meaningly prosecuted for this stuff (not even sure any of it is actually a crime, but still).


Why?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

To fuck w him.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Would a federal pardon absolve him of state crimes?

Right now Cuomo seems like Trump's biggest problem.

Though I suspect his friendly IRS auditor may be considering a criminal referral based on some of the foundation stuff.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Protip: Don't say "I never said that" when there's tape of you saying that.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

From what I could see there was near unanimity in giving the night to Pence on style points - he was just less annoying than Kaine - but this next week to Kaine on substance and set up. I think that's right, but we'll see as it plays out.

But think of what this means: last night was Pence's try-out for leadership of the conservative core of the Republican Party in a post-Trump world, and he did well - very well - by showing them that he could deny reality with a straight face. That is what they have come to; it is what they want.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

No.

Perhaps Trump has dirt on Cuomo: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...e-transactions

Too easy to perceive as nakedly political. Also, too much work. (And they probably know he can't pay any huge assessment and fines anyway.)

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Isn't that kind of what it's always been? It's not false equivalence to assert denying facts with a straight face is a job requirement of every politician, from school board hack to POTUS.

But, as Adder noted, Pence may have won the battle for the TV audience and lost the war for the much larger digital audience.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Pence and Kaine both won. Pence was trying to come across well, and Kaine was trying to attack Trump.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I've always considered denying facts to be a real political liability. The key is to turn something into an opinion before denying it, so it can be argued (see, global warming, creationism). An old political friend of mine was once up for a key committee chair, and went in to talk to the Senate President about it. Prez asked him whether the world was round or flat - he responded by asking what the Prez thought, noting he could argue either way. See, that's opinion to the careful politician.

It's one thing to deny global warming or adhere to creationism, flat earth theory, or hollow earth theory. It is another to deny that X said Y when there is a tape of X saying Y. That's a political liability. The proper answer would have been "I don't know", "I didn't hear", "he may have misspoken" or "Whatever was said X long ago, our position today is ...."

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Or maybe: It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.

And they all play on the golf course.
 

Well-played, miss; I said well-played.

Governor Pence is a judgmental, humorless man. He refused to pardon a man who is innocent because, I guess, he doesn't want to appear soft on crime. Let's not even mention the whole funerals for miscarriages or aborted fetuses law (spree -- National Review (!) article about the "Periods for Pence" movement). The dude is, as Icky mentions every so often, out there.

For me (as @dick_nixon put it), Mike Pence is like the "old monsignor who lets the bum sleep on the kitchen floor, but just for a night."

Lawyers dwell on small details since daddy had to lie.
 

Perhaps I am whiffing, but I read young Adder's question as "why is your daughter considering law school?"

Why, Bilmore, why? (mostly kidding)