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Old 11-24-2010, 11:51 AM   #2988
Atticus Grinch
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Re: Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
How many cases have you won without using at least five or six "constructive lies"? Even when your client's totally in the right, there are those bad facts in a case that must be massaged. And by massaged, I mean spun. And by spun, I mean avoided, forgotten or shaded in a manner suggesting the presence of events diametrically opposed to those which actually took place. And by that I mean, how many times have you tried a case without employing "lawyer's lies"?

Exactly.

Now, remove the word "lawyer's." Because that in itself is misleading. The only descriptive that honestly fits is "lies." You have lied, I have lied. Every litigator has lied. Hundreds of times over his career.

It doesn't wilt the soul for me. If no one lied, we wouldn't have courts.
I'll leave it to Sidd to defend the profession, but to me there's a difference between presenting facts that are not The Truth (because they are incomplete, or misleading, or even because their sole witness is a person you know to be a liar) and saying things that are lies. We privilege FBI agents to lie in order to accomplish the tasks we have set out for them, and that's unique -- when lawyers lie, they're violating an oath they gave and a rule of professional conduct, but when FBI agents lie they're acting working the official job description. I'm not saying they lie on the stand -- heaven forfend! -- but I think they're uncomfortable being on the stand because they're not in control in a very specific way: they've lost the option to tell an untruth without consequence, and that's why they squirm.
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