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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

if you want people to treat you as non-troll go quote your posts from last night about the 2010 elections and show the reality-appreciating-sense you hint at in the above.

In your world, it's a good idea to piss off your base? I really don't get what I said that's controversial or WTF you are talking about. I didn't say that a Democrat can win elections without independents, but you seem to find some odd, masturbatory pleasure in pretending that I did.

Here are facts:

In 2008, polls showed that young people were overwhelmingly supportive of Obama and the Democrats. And they turned out in droves. According to the research group CIRCLE—The Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning and Engagement—which tracks civic engagement among young voters, 51 percent of 18- to-19-year-olds voted that year.

In 2010, polls showed that young people were still supportive of Obama and the Democrats. But only 20.9 percent of them bothered to vote.

Part of the reason Republicans did better last month is that more independents voted for McCain. But another part of the reason is that fewer Obama voters went to vote at all. It's not that complicated.