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					Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield  I am a naive liberal basher.  Or, perhaps, an economic liberal basher.  Both groups being worthy of bashing, for endless reasons.  
 Social liberals, otoh, in which group I count myself (pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, anti-drug war, anti-tough-on-crime measures, pro-immigration, etc.) should not be bashed, but celebrated.  And encouraged to assert the notion one can and should be a small govt liberal (which I believe under Burke's definition would be a conservative).
 
 Suggesting the idea of balancing the budget entirely with tax increases is unpopular with conservatives is 6th grade rhetorical sleight of hand.  It's below you, me, and everyone here to use "unpopular."  From any reasonable person, the correct response to such a plan would be laughter, as the proposition is all but theoretically, in an absurd world, frivolous.
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 Whether you use the word "naive" or "delusional," the trope of the out-of-touch leftie that you keep invoking is stale and wrong.  You keep saying it, but it's bullshit.  
The lefties are all much more worried that Obama will sell them out by going too far to meet the Republicans, that he'll give up too much to get a deal, like he was prepared to do last year.  It's patently obvious why they're worried about this, but you have your head stuck so far up the 1970s that you can't see it.