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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Agreed, but I have a problem with those examples. And I guess it comes down to a question of whether risk minimization is true racism. The decision to lend is a risk analysis. If black neighborhoods tend to be poor neighborhoods, and poor ones have higher default rates, is a lender racist for charging a higher rate? Perhaps the outcome is racist, but the racist intent is absent. If an HR manager uses data suggesting people with certain black sounding names tend to be less advantageous hires, is that really racist, or is that engaging in cold, amoral risk analysis? I'm not suggesting an answer one way or another, but big data is making this already complicated question a whole more so.
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Fucking stop it. Maybe you selectively chose to ignore the words "everything else being equal?" Your push back on the mortgage example is ridiculous. If I earn x dollars a year and have x assets and you earn the same and have the same and we both want a house that is worth exactly the same amount, and the only difference between the two of us is the racial make-up of the neighborhood in which we live, the fact that you have a lower interest than I, is fucking racist. And it's institutional. Maybe they default with more frequency because their rates are significantly fucking higher for bullshit reasons. Read the studies about redlining. Hell, read the definition.
Your second example is even more stupid. What fucking data are you talking about that suggests people with black sounding names tend to be less advantageous hires? What a ridiculous thing to say. Amoral risk analysis. Suck a dick.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
This is where I become a little confused. I don't see what whites are giving up in becoming less racist. White people had an advantage being born white. Nobody's asked us to concede anything. We've been asked not to hold other people down. Or get behind police who murder them. But economically, it's not a zero sum game. The more black people advance, the more the economy grows, the more everyone benefits over the long term. Am I missing something here?
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You're looking at it from a macro level instead of the personal level that people use to view this stuff. I've already written a bunch about this, so I'll avoid repeating myself.
TM
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
But keep in mind - this is America, where no one has an attention span much beyond that of your average lab rat. In regard to almost everything problematic, we're all about awareness, and outcry. But when it comes down to the tough work of actually fixing the problem, we've already moved on to the next tragedy over which we can publicly display our dismay.
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I think this is partly what the woman in the article was saying.
TM
