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Old 09-20-2019, 06:32 PM   #3454
ThurgreedMarshall
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Re: Um...

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
People have a right to be selfish. You can chide them for it. And you should. But people have that right.
I'm not sure what the point of this is. Yeah. People have a right to be selfish. And if you're selfish, you get called on it. People have a right to shit their pants. So what?

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I do not think people have a right to fix the game. It's one thing to not give a shit about others. But when you work to make sure they never have a chance, you're doing something different. When you rig the system, you're not saying, "You're on your own little guy... good fucking luck." You're instead saying, "You've got no chance because I have the ability to fix society so you cannot do better."
I do not understand why you think being selfish when it comes to the amount of taxes you spend and where that tax money goes is somehow different than what you just described. Taxes are spent on things we value as a society. Any reduction in taxes reduces the resources we share. If you vote your wallet, you are saying you think those resources should be diminished and services should be cut. Absolutely no one who "votes their wallet" is thinking strategically about efficiency no matter how many times they tell themselves that if the government has less money they'll be forced to be more efficient. That's just bullshit to justify the fact that they don't want to pay taxes.

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The difference is, with the latter, you are anti-competitive. In the former, you're just selfish. You're correct that these behaviors can be seen as a continuum of thinking. But I think fixing the game trends from libertarianism into unethical, perhaps quasi-criminal behavior.
No. You're just talking degrees of selfishness.

People who actively work to change how tax money is spent or who vote for people who want to reduce the defense budget or cut out the overwhelming amounts of pork attached to bills, I can respect. People who just whine about taxes and ignore every other fucking issue this country is facing are full of shit and selfish assholes.

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