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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
She also starts talking about an inherently interesting theological issue, which is, how do you or do you even attempt to apply a document written in the 7th century to today's morality. It's an argument I've had repeatedly with fellow Catholics, where the traditional view is that the Church itself is eternal and immutable, and that plays a very significant role in why we don't have women priests yet. It's particularly difficult in a religion where the word itself is what is divine, and the prophet was only a vehicle for transmission of the word of God.
Others attempt to dig the document out from its historical context: maybe all that sexist shit was overlaid on it by subsequent generations (fans of Arabic poetry are especially fond of this approach, since there was a real flowering of Arabic poetry written by women at the time of the Prophet, probably one of the greatest set of original documents relating to ancient world proto-feminism you'll find). This is probably easier to do with the Qur'an than the Old Testament if you really parse through the two documents.
I don't know if she still considers herself Islamic or not, and whether she's arguing about how to interpret Islam or against Islam, but figuring this one out is essential for every ancient religion trying to adapt in the world, of course, but Islam, like every other religion, has to do it in a particular context.
It's an interesting debate, though I suspect it's not the debate you're focused on in looking at that clip. You're probably more focused on whether she is pointing out something intrinsically bad or different in Islam itself that leads to bad things.
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It's somewhat annoying that you think that my focus is solely limited to the areas in which we disagree. I have said repeatedly that I find a lot of what is in your posts relating to this topic, interesting and informative. I found much of what she (and Stewart) said to be interesting and informative. Your assumption seems like a stupid one.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
As to that, I'd say this: if tomorrow you miraculously converted every member of ISIS to Catholicism, I don't think you'd materially change the way ISIS operates.
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Ah. I see you've limited it to the most radical. If you magically converted every member of Islam to Catholics who grew up with that as their religion, would there be as many people willing to murder someone who desecrates the Bible or takes the Lord's name in vain? Would you be able to instantly raise a mob on the street willing to kill murder in the name of Catholicism?
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