Pepper sprayed for public safety.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Careful, this is starting to seem like his reaction to the plight of the unemployed is "let them eat cake!"

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Careful, this is starting to seem like his reaction to the plight of the unemployed is "let them eat cake!"

"Let them eat arugula"?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

side bet: 65% or Americans don't think they're part of Romney's 47% and they agree with him. Not saying he'll get 65% of the vote, just saying Obama may want to tread lightly here.

FWIW, I think your 65% figure may be low.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

not in your neighborhood, I'm sure.

In Detroit former Congresswoman Barbara Rose Collins had a campaign billboard that read "Barbara Rose Collins: She brought $gazillion back home to your district!!!" I know you'll argue that isn't individual benefits, but it is in context.

I think most people see a Congressman (or woman) who brings federal spending back to the district as someone who is helping the community, not so much as someone who is making them specifically better off.

And I've heard Coleman Young complain that he knew people who had been on welfare for 3 generations, and that the Government had to do something. And his supporters knew he meant the government needed to give the poor more, and his opponents knew the government needed to the end the programs.

OK. Coleman Young is the exception to what I said.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

OK. Coleman Young is the exception to what I said.

I like how you ignored what i said about his supporters. I didn't go back and reread my post. Did you delete what I said about his supporters, or just ignore it?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I don't doubt it might seem that way, to you. Which isn't surprising.

The old people who make up the plurality of them vote predominantly R. The young people that make up another chunk go either way.

But yeah, the poor people who are the rest probably vote D.

The votes just don't fit your little narrative, or Mitt's.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Romney's right: A big part of this country will vote for whoever gives them things. It includes tens of millions of useless entitlement junkies. It also includes 80% of our big business "capitalists."

It also includes you, if I remember your posts from the past few weeks correctly.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If I say I vote strictly based on taxes, it's okay to criticize me. But if say I vote strictly based on which politician will give me more benefits, I am beyond criticism.

On which planet?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Okay, so entertainment industry and tech are also subsidized. My point is made all the more.

So is everyone who drives. So is everyone who doesn't drive. So is everyone who enters into contracts and wants the ability to enforce them. So is every lawyer. Also every doctor. Also every person who goes to public school, or went to public school, or hires people who went to school. Ditto re private schools (with their tax advantages, grants, etc.)

To put it differently -- all that infrastructure you rely on? The environment you need to create a successful business? You didn't build that.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

So is everyone who drives. So is everyone who doesn't drive. So is everyone who enters into contracts and wants the ability to enforce them. So is every lawyer. Also every doctor. Also every person who goes to public school, or went to public school, or hires people who went to school. Ditto re private schools (with their tax advantages, grants, etc.)

To put it differently -- all that infrastructure you rely on? The environment you need to create a successful business? You didn't build that.

Did the poor who don't pay taxes not have access to public schools? Roads?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

yeah, Michael Lewis explicitedly says he doesn't know much a bout basketball. he also says implicitedly, now listen closely, to anyone who has played much, that the game is bullshit. I'm a 53 year old that has never smoked. I could no more step on a court with 6-5 28 yo former college players that I can dunk. Michael Lewis is all impressed Obama takes charges, but there is no way 28 yo former college players would be moving slow enough for that to happen, unless contrived, and there is no way he could keep up to the real speed that game would be played at.

For fucks sake Ty, I like the guy, I think it's great he plays ball, but what you're saying is he can walk on water- I know you think he can and that's fine- but understand Jesus died at 32.

I came over here to see the reaction to Romney's latest shit-on-everyone moment and I find this.

What the fuck are you talking about? Anyone can take a charge. You don't have to be guarding the person who commits a charge. You can be helping out on defense. And you can be old, fat, slow, or in your case, stupid.

No one says Obama walks on water because he is trying to play help defense and regularly plays in a game where the players are clearly better than he is. What the author was saying is that he challenges himself, that he seeks the truth, that he embraces the difficult.

Jesus fucking Christ.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I like how you ignored what i said about his supporters. I didn't go back and reread my post. Did you delete what I said about his supporters, or just ignore it?

I said I had never heard anyone say x. You said Coleman Young said x, and his supporters knew what he meant. So, OK, Coleman Young said x. If you think his supporters said x too, say so. I can believe that there actually are people out there who will say they'll vote for people who will give them benefits. Just not very many. I appreciate how living near Detroit may skew your perceptions.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Did the poor who don't pay taxes not have access to public schools? Roads?

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges...." Anatole France

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It's puff. Exactly the kind of crap fanboys would trip over themselves to quote.

Is it possible for someone to be ambivalent going into an article like this and come out with a glowing positive opinion of their subject after spending a lot of time with them? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think the shit you don't like is puff for you and the shit you do like is insightful. Even if I'm completely wrong, you sound like an asshole.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Is it possible for someone to be ambivalent going into an article like this and come out with a glowing positive opinion of their subject after spending a lot of time with them? Maybe. Maybe not. But I think the shit you don't like is puff for you and the shit you do like is insightful. Even if I'm completely wrong, you sound like an asshole.

TM

Sebby doesn't trust anyone who would say nice things about someone else. It's a sign of weakness.