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10-12-2020, 07:41 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: Is Hank Playing for the Other Team?
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
dude, she used two statutes.
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Yes, that was my point. But you quoted a News article saying, "The governor ignored this statutory requirement, refused to work with the Legislature and plowed ahead anyway, continuing to unilaterally declare emergencies under the 1976 law." As if the other statute didn't exist.
Whatever, friend. On a day when the Republican politicization of the courts in is full swing and on public display, I don't particularly feel like ignoring that the Republicans have been packing and politicizing state and federal courts. YMMV. Is it hard to tell when a Republican court is acting on totally legit merits, and when it is acting politically? Yes, absolutely -- that is the point.
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10-12-2020, 08:10 PM
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Re: Is Hank Playing for the Other Team?
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Yes, that was my point. But you quoted a News article saying, "The governor ignored this statutory requirement, refused to work with the Legislature and plowed ahead anyway, continuing to unilaterally declare emergencies under the 1976 law." As if the other statute didn't exist.
Whatever, friend. On a day when the Republican politicization of the courts in is full swing and on public display, I don't particularly feel like ignoring that the Republicans have been packing and politicizing state and federal courts. YMMV. Is it hard to tell when a Republican court is acting on totally legit merits, and when it is acting politically? Yes, absolutely -- that is the point.
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The News piece was an opinion piece, and slanted. Right after the part I quoted it discusses the 1945 act. We agree, that was 4-3, but as to the 1976 law she did lose 7-0, so that part of the decision could hardly be slanted.
And for a governor elected by all of the people of the state to try to question the integrity of Supreme Court Justices, elected by all of the people, is silly. For one, even the "dem" Judges said she was acting improperly (under 1976), every single Judge. But, as important, a Michigan statewide elected R cannot be the loon that these fucks are in DC. We have had R govs recently. They are quite moderate. We've had an R Senator (a bit ago, but still). Moderate.
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10-12-2020, 08:38 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: Is Hank Playing for the Other Team?
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
The News piece was an opinion piece, and slanted. Right after the part I quoted it discusses the 1945 act. We agree, that was 4-3, but as to the 1976 law she did lose 7-0, so that part of the decision could hardly be slanted.
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True. But the Free Press article said she was claiming authority for her orders under the 1945 act, and that the court decided 4-3 that she did not have such power. So even if you assume that the 1976 law did not support her at all, it sounds like she had a decent case under the 1945 act for everything she was doing, in that the court would have upheld everything she was doing, on both constitutional and statutory grounds, if one judge had seen it differently. Thems the breaks.
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And for a governor elected by all of the people of the state to try to question the integrity of Supreme Court Justices, elected by all of the people, is silly. For one, even the "dem" Judges said she was acting improperly (under 1976), every single Judge. But, as important, a Michigan statewide elected R cannot be the loon that these fucks are in DC. We have had R govs recently. They are quite moderate. We've had an R Senator (a bit ago, but still). Moderate.
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Maybe you are lucky in Michigan, but the GOP has its share of wingnuts in state offices.
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10-12-2020, 08:41 PM
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Re: Is Hank Playing for the Other Team?
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Maybe you are lucky in Michigan, but the GOP has its share of wingnuts in state offices.
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California has state wide elected R?
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10-12-2020, 09:36 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: Is Hank Playing for the Other Team?
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
California has state wide elected R?
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No. With the new primary system (top two voter-getters go to the general) they often have a hard time getting a candidate on the ballot in November.
As the party has lost, the wing nuttiest have remained, and the CA GOP's center of gravity has moved even farther to the fringe. They could use reasonable moderates, but those people don't have much of a path to success.
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10-13-2020, 11:54 AM
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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10-14-2020, 01:30 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
After all of the efforts the GOP has made for years to pack a nine-member Supreme Court, it's kinda funny to think that the size of the Court can be changed by legislation.
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