Having The Same Argument, Again.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske

Hmmmm, thus evidencing that you don't even read the links that you post. What D talking points source is feeding you this blogcrap?

I do not need an "expert" to conclude that the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads in part, "All persons born ... in the United States ... are citizens of the United States," means that all persons born in the United States, regardless of any legal status of their parents, are citizens of the United States.

It's just not that hard.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I do not need an "expert" to conclude that the Fourteenth Amendment, which reads in part, "All persons born ... in the United States ... are citizens of the United States," means that all persons born in the United States, regardless of any legal status of their parents, are citizens of the United States.

It's just not that hard.

Apparently, the "experts" cited in the link also believe that this aspect of the 14th Amendment cannot itself be amended. So it's a good thing you don't listen to them, but....

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Apparently, the "experts" cited in the link also believe that this aspect of the 14th Amendment cannot itself be amended. So it's a good thing you don't listen to them, but....

The link within the link makes clear (or clearer than the author did) that what the "experts" called clearly unconstitutional was a bill to require one parent to have citizenship yadda yadda yadda. Thus is what the author called "changing the Constitution.". Thus, any dumbness is not necessarily the fault of the experts.

OTOH, the "experts" cited in the link within the link were Chermerinsky, who last I checked was a singular person, so YMMV.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Apparently, the "experts" cited in the link also believe that this aspect of the 14th Amendment cannot itself be amended. So it's a good thing you don't listen to them, but....

The article is worded sloppily, but if you click through you'll see that the Republican effort is to pass a bill to deny citizenship rights, not to amend the Constitution.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

All true, but there are two problems with what you say.

First, it doesn't counter Cletus' point, which was "We either need to cut spending or raise taxes." Clinton balanced the budget by, in large part, raising taxes and "cutting" spending (in the sense of cutting the overall increase, as well as making certain actual cuts).

Second, Clinton benefitted from a huge economic expansion (let's leave aside the argument about whether he helped bring that about). That's not enough to reduce the deficit -- I mean, Reagan had that advantage too, and he basically invented the culture of "we don't have to pay for government, we can grow it and bitch about it." (Having his cake, eating it, and savoring it too.) But, still. Obama may see some expansion, but I'm not holding my breath for another Clinton-era expansion.

2. Where's the bubble after this equities bubble bursts?

[PresentTense Pirate Penske]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

2. Where's the bubble after this equities bubble bursts?

First growth bordeaux.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

2. Where's the bubble after this equities bubble bursts?

plastics

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

plastics

Now you've got me thinking of Anne Bancroft's naughty bits. Much better than the economy.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The article is worded sloppily, but if you click through you'll see that the Republican effort is to pass a bill to deny citizenship rights, not to amend the Constitution.

Oh, in that case it should work.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

The link within the link makes clear (or clearer than the author did) that what the "experts" called clearly unconstitutional was a bill to require one parent to have citizenship yadda yadda yadda. Thus is what the author called "changing the Constitution.". Thus, any dumbness is not necessarily the fault of the experts.

OTOH, the "experts" cited in the link within the link were Chermerinsky, who last I checked was a singular person, so YMMV.

Yeah, but if you then google Chermerinsky's writings on the subject you learn that he is actually speaking for multiple people.

Jesus H. Do you people have jobs?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

Yeah, but if you then google Chermerinsky's writings on the subject you learn that he is actually speaking for multiple people.

Jesus H. Do you people have jobs?

i'm thinking some of them might be rotting in a cell somewhere. for ty I'm betting gitmo.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

Oh, in that case it should work.

In the sense that they would be happy to pass a bill that the courts would strike down so that they could then complain about judges, yes.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Michael Clauer is a captain in the Army Reserve who commanded over 100 soldiers in Iraq. But while he was fighting for his country, a different kind of battle was brewing on the home front. Last September, Michael returned to Frisco, Texas, to find that his homeowners' association had foreclosed on his $300,000 house—and sold it for $3,500. This is story illustrates the type of legal quagmire that can get out of hand while soldiers are serving abroad and their families are dealing with the stress of their deployment. And fixing the mess isn't easy.

...

Seeking to avoid hearing about the situation in Iraq, May stopped watching the news. She rarely answered the door, and Michael says he couldn't tell her when he went "outside the wire"—off-base. May also stopped opening the mail. "I guess she was scared that she would hear bad news," says Michael. That was why she missed multiple notices from the Heritage Lakes Homeowners Association informing her that the family owed $800 in dues—and then subsequent notices stating that the HOA was preparing to foreclose on the debt and seize the home.

via Eschaton

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

via Eschaton

Good work on a Friday before a holiday here, mod. I can't figure out which joke to use first.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Good work on a Friday before a holiday here, mod. I can't figure out which joke to use first.

Happy Memorial Day!