Election 2010: Teabaggin' the Ds & Rs

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Hey! did you win for "top partner to work for, Cali division?" you didn't? really? I'm shocked.

if I'd known there was a vote I'd have made my associates stay late and vote for repeatedly for you. let me know next time.

No one's staying late for nothing -- Black Crowes are playing every night of Advent at the Fillmore. On Xmas Eve they're apparently going to play all four sides of Billy Joel's Greatest Hits I & II, take a break for Christmas and then do Barenaked Ladies covers for the Boxing Day set.

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Hey! did you win for "top partner to work for, Cali division?" you didn't? really? I'm shocked.
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No offence to youknowwho, but, I have never met an associate who was competent to render a judgement on anything, let alone a partner/superior. I question the legitimacy of this polling.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

No offence to youknowwho, but, I have never met an associate who was competent to render a judgement on anything, let alone a partner/superior. I question the legitimacy of this polling.

exactly. almost. If one's associates feel you are "nice to them", then you really are not being nice to them big picture. You aren't getting them ready:

• They do their best, they do what they can
  They get them ready for Viet Nam
  
  From old Hanoi to East Berlin
  Commando - involved again
  
  They do their best, they do what they can
  They get them ready for Viet Nam
  
  First rule is: The laws of Germany
  Second rule is: Be nice to mommy
  Third rule is: Don't talk to commies
  Fourth rule is: Eat kosher salamis

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Hey! did you win for "top partner to work for, Cali division?" you didn't? really? I'm shocked.

if I'd known there was a vote I'd have made my associates stay late and vote for repeatedly for you. let me know next time.

Isn't that just about the worst award you'd ever want to get? Damn. Someone ought to be ashamed.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

I still don't follow (maybe I'm slow today), but don't really care that much.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

No one's staying late for nothing -- Black Crowes are playing every night of Advent at the Fillmore. On Xmas Eve they're apparently going to play all four sides of Billy Joel's Greatest Hits I & II, take a break for Christmas and then do Barenaked Ladies covers for the Boxing Day set.

Excellent. Now I have "Scenes from an Italian Restaurant" in my head. Lesser things have driven men to suicide.

Re: Crowes, the version of "Fearless" (often overlooked Floyd classic) on disc two is excellent. The slide solos at the end fill the song out in a way the original should have but didn't: http://www.liveblackcrowes.com/live-...sfield-CA.html

[Replaced_Texan]

This sucks. I really like Senator Wyden, and I wish him a full recovery.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

This sucks. I really like Senator Wyden, and I wish him a full recovery.

Sucks, indeed. And though he's unlikely to ever lose a race here (I'm assuming fulll recovery), the local progressive crowd has taken to referring to him as Senator Wyden (R-NY).

[Penske 2.0]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

This sucks. I really like Senator Wyden, and I wish him a full recovery.

No offence, but sounds to me like he needs to get his priorities in a better place and man up here. Maybe ask himself, What would Clair Engle Do?.....

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Apropos of Hank's repeated suggestion that Obama just hasn't tried hard enough to win over Republican Senators, this (from Friday, before DADT repeal):

One of the oddities of the debate over repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell is that Republican moderates seem far more interested in procedure than substance. They favor repeal, but they oddly seem to care more that the Senate hew to Mitch McConnell's run-out-the-clock timetable than they care about the outcome of the issue:

Here's what Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that she needs to support a full Senate debate on the defense authorization bill (the vehicle for Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal): 15 guaranteed votes on amendments (10 for Republicans, and 5 for Democrats), and somewhere around four days to debate the bill.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid already promised her the 15 amendments, but his initial offer was for a day or two of debate. Here's her response to reporters tonight, after a Senate vote.

Is this some bizarre kind of Senate-ism, where process trumps all? Possibly. I think it's something different.

Earlier this summer, Joe Biden claimed that several Republican Senators told him that they had promised to hold together on every procedural vote:

I can't prove that Biden isn't making this up. But it sure would explain a lot. It would explain the fact that Republicans consistently gave up the chance to trade their vote in return for wielding significant influence over major legislation. It would explain Olympia Snowe's odd to decision to vote against cloture on the health care bill on the Senate floor (a procedural vote) after voting for essentially the same care bill in the Finance Committee (not a procedural vote.) It would also explain how Snowe and other Republicans negotiating the bill refused to lay out conditions for supporting it other than extending the negotiations indefinitely.

McConnell's pitch to the moderates appears to revolve around the need to negotiate together, and thus that all Republicans needed to threaten to filibuster everything in order to force Democrats to negotiate with McConnell:

The end result was that moderate Republicans ceded enormous power to McConnell, whose overriding goal was not to advance centrist legislation but to defeat Obama. In any case, I think Republicans did promise to hold together on all procedural votes, and I think this promise was the whole key to the 2009-10 legislative session.

Chait

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Penske 2.0

No offence, but sounds to me like he needs to get his priorities in a better place and man up here. Maybe ask himself, What would Clair Engle Do?.....

Nice covert coat!

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Apropos of Hank's repeated suggestion that Obama just hasn't tried hard enough to win over Republican Senators, this (from Friday, before DADT repeal):



Chait

I supposed next you are going to argue that Clinton didn't ignore AQ?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

I supposed next you are going to argue that Clinton didn't ignore AQ?

I think it's interesting that the GOP cohesion in the Senate was maybe less about ideological commitment and more that McConnell could enforce party discipline in a way that hasn't usually be seen in the Senate. It's a case of the Senate turning more into the House.

eta: Of course, maybe one of the conditions for this change is more ideological parties.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I think it's interesting that the GOP cohesion in the Senate was maybe less about ideological commitment and more that McConnell could enforce party discipline in a way that hasn't usually be seen in the Senate. It's a case of the Senate turning more into the House.

eta: Of course, maybe one of the conditions for this change is more ideological parties.

didn't a bunch of R senators vote to repeal?

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

didn't a bunch of R senators vote to repeal?

And for cloture, too.

And one of the D's skipped town to avoid casting a vote. Or to go to a family gathering, or something.