Stuck on Repeats

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Surely you've played pickup ball in a game with a guy who never gets back on defense and just hangs out in the backcourt waiting for his teammate to get the rebound so he can cherry pick? That's what soccer doesn't want, especially because unlike a 5 on 5 basketball game, leaving one guy down near the opposing goal doesn't entirely cripple your ability to play defense.

Surely I have. But the analogy sucks because of your last sentence.

If they leave just one guy back on defense, so what? I can't imagine that can't be overcome. Why wouldn't teams do that right now anyway, especially once they have the lead?

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

If they leave just one guy back on defense, so what? I can't imagine that can't be overcome. Why wouldn't teams do that right now anyway, especially once they have the lead?

TM

this is what Italy does every game, except once they have the lead the keep all d and midfield back.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

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TM

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Surely I have. But the analogy sucks because of your last sentence.

If they leave just one guy back on defense, so what? I can't imagine that can't be overcome. Why wouldn't teams do that right now anyway, especially once they have the lead?

TM

The rule is a holdover from the days when association football was more kick and rush, and it used to be the rule that you were offside unless there were three players between you and the goalkeeper. It gradually got whittled down to two, then one, and so we have the high-octane goalscoring extravaganzas of today that make us go "why did I just watch 90 minutes of that shit."

And we also now have passing, which was also sort of radical back when, and I have heard people justify the offside rule as a way to shorten the field and encourage the kind of short pass and move style that, say, Barcelona displays as opposed to long hopeful punts up the field that you hope will connect with the guy who's been lurking by the opposition goal while everyone else went downfield.

I suppose the only way to find out which would be "better" would be to do away with it for a while, but as you know most sports have their rigid traditions and it doesn't seem likely that a sport that had to be dragged kicking and screaming to goal-line technology and still won't hear of instant replay might do away with the offside rule.

[Icky Thump]

Because without it, a soccer game would essentially be a punting contest. Just imagine watching a football game where every down was 4th down.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Surely I have. But the analogy sucks because of your last sentence.

If they leave just one guy back on defense, so what? I can't imagine that can't be overcome. Why wouldn't teams do that right now anyway, especially once they have the lead?

TM

Huh? The problem is leaving one guy back (or up) on offense. Or, more accurately, having one guy who is already toward the front sprint for goal immediately on change of possession, get the long pass, and have a one-on-one with the goalie.

Unlike basketball, the cost to your ability to defend of doing this is not great. Thus the offside rule.

It's the same concept as hockey, except that the line moves.

And who are we kidding. You've been that guy.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Adder

Huh? The problem is leaving one guy back (or up) on offense. Or, more accurately, having one guy who is already toward the front sprint for goal immediately on change of possession, get the long pass, and have a one-on-one with the goalie.

Unlike basketball, the cost to your ability to defend of doing this is not great. Thus the offside rule.

It's the same concept as hockey, except that the line moves.

And who are we kidding. You've been that guy.

Hockey, though, teams can and do leave a guy at (but not over) the far blue line. Teams defend or fail to defend him at their peril.

These guys are called "hangers." These guys are usually daddy's boys who score a lot of goals who will never work a day in their lives.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Hockey, though, teams can and do leave a guy at (but not over) the far blue line. Teams defend or fail to defend him at their peril.

These guys are called "hangers." These guys are usually daddy's boys who score a lot of goals who will never work a day in their lives.

Others know more about soccer than me, but I had understood that the players called "strikers" do the same thing.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Because without it, a soccer game would essentially be a punting contest. Just imagine watching a football game where every down was 4th down.

Or, if you can't imagine it, go to any AYSO game for the U10 class.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Olympics after Olympics, axes are rejected by the rules committee. Chinese throwing stars, however, nearly made the cut in '88.

Perhaps you would prefer the Highland Games.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I don't want to sound like a dickish New York lawyer, but I've found that when you deal with a non-national firm on even the not-so-super-complex matters that a scrub like me typically handles, they are often in over their head and focused on the most random shit. And my fees end up being higher because of the learning curve. But maybe it's just my practice area.

TM

I am not a dickish New York lawyer, but for what used to be my practice area TM is mainly correct. Usually a lot of time spent explaining that non-negotiable boilerplate language in all our contracts is, in fact, non-negotiable (and later, why it is non-negotiable). And I am wonking. (Autocorrect wants "wonking" to read "working".)

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive

Usually a lot of time spent explaining that non-negotiable boilerplate language in all our contracts is, in fact, non-negotiable

Easier way: "Fuck off."

I had one guy say he was going to negotiate the expenses clause in our retainer agreement, which contains state-mandated language.

I told him he has a better chance of walking into Yankee Stadium for game 7 of the world series and before he scans his ticket, asking the ticket usher to get Hank Steinbrenner to initial all his changes he'd made to the back of the ticket.

I have just as many cases to handle as Steinbrenner has bleacher creatures.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Adder

Others know more about soccer than me, but I had understood that the players called "strikers" do the same thing.

Different. Because of the offsides rules.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I did and now I don't so much. I don't really know if I am any better or worse off. The fencing types were good people, for the most part. Often a bit eccentric in various ways. Not the same crowd that was lettering in football.

I was friends with a competitive fencer in college and we have pretty much lost touch. Ergo PLF and I run in the same circles. Yay MN!!!

[Hank Chinaski]

I'm spending a few days in Pittsburg. Any advice for things to do?