LawTalkers  

Go Back   LawTalkers > General Discussion > Politics

» Site Navigation
 > FAQ
» Online Users: 203
0 members and 203 guests
No Members online
Most users ever online was 9,654, 05-18-2025 at 04:16 AM.
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-22-2016, 10:31 PM   #4066
sebastian_dangerfield
Moderator
 
sebastian_dangerfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monty Capuletti's gazebo
Posts: 26,231
Re: By the way

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall View Post
Read the whole article. The man is unhinged.

TM
None of his base is reading anything that detailed. And the rest who will choose him because they view him as a lesser of two evils are practicing willful ignorance.

BTW, re the racism charge... 12% of "the blacks" may bring him into the White House.

And few pundits are discussing in depth how the same angle Trump uses to pit low information White voters against Hispanic voters also works in pitting low information Black voters against Hispanic voters. The media's missing selective xenophobia/racism, and assuming all minorities will reject Trump. This assumes, bizarrely, that all minorities are aligned.
__________________
All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.
sebastian_dangerfield is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 04:08 AM   #4067
Tyrone Slothrop
Moderasaurus Rex
 
Tyrone Slothrop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,080
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
His carriage is indicative of one who's never done anything but pontificate for a living, or a run a university (pardon the likely redundancy). Summers is clearly very bright. But other than a short stint at DE Shaw, no doubt given so they could slap a big name on the company roster for a few years, the man's never been in a private sector profit driven organization.

At least Rubin worked for a living and was assessed based on the profitability of his suggested business and policy moves.

If we're to judge how Summers would do in business, this gives some decent guidance: http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmo...rd-18-billion/

He'd be a perfect head of the Fed during a Trump administration. He, the Donald, and Christie as Atty General -- a supergroup of boorish, bloated know-it-alls.

ETA: Some more hits from Larry's illustrious career.
You could be a Trump voter. This is all status resentment, and no substance.
__________________
“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
Tyrone Slothrop is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 11:12 AM   #4068
Pretty Little Flower
Moderator
 
Pretty Little Flower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Flower
Posts: 8,434
You on point, Phife?

All the time, Tip.

My love of hip hop and funk fed off each other. Sometimes I would first hear a hip hop song with a crazy sampled riff, and only later discover the funk tune that originally contained the riff (for example, Daily Dose #3 -- I had heard Public Enemy's "Timebomb" a thousand times before I discovered that the guitar sample was from the Meters' "Just Kissed My Baby"). Other times, I would hear a hip hop song and immediately recognize the underlying funk sample (Daily Dose #4 - I knew Tribe Called Quest was sampling Funkadelic the first moment I heard the song).

Yet part of what I loved about groups like Tribe and De La Soul was that they did not feel constrained to sample James Brown, Sly, P-Funk, and the Meters over and over. In fact, there appeared to be no limitations on where they would find their inspiration (De La's first album sampled everything from Steely Dan to Schoolhouse Rock; Tribe's first sampled Lou Reed, Stevie Wonder, and so much more). Tribe was also one of the first to truly incorporate jazz riffs in a way that did not seem forced at all. The Green Dolphin Street sample in We Got the Jazz was brilliant and for those who still think there is no artistry in hip hop, let that song alone be irrebutable proof that you are wrong. Hiring jazz great Ron Carter for one of the cuts on Low End Theory was also way ahead of the curve. Tribe's music and the lyrical interplay between Q-Tip and Phife Dawg sounds as fresh and relevant today as it did in 1989 (with the occasional exception of lines like "Mr. Dinkins, will you please be our mayor").

As Thurgreed would argue (and few would disagree), Q-Tip was the source of most of the musical and lyrical genius of the group. It is no accident that Q-Tip was just named the Kennedy Center's first Artistic Director for Hip-Hop culture. But on songs like Check the Rhime, the back and forth between Phife and Tip was magic.

Sadly, Phife has died at 45, probably from health problems related to his lifelong struggle with diabetes. So today's Daily Dose goes out to him. Minnie Riperton's "This Love I have" is really more a soul song than a pure funk song, but the opening riff that was sample by Tribe on Check the Rhime is straight up funky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYUhMb74bjw#t=13

Check the Rhime by Tribe. R.I.P. Malik Taylor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3PW2dXh0dk
__________________
Inside every man lives the seed of a flower.
If he looks within he finds beauty and power.

I am not sorry.
Pretty Little Flower is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 12:06 PM   #4069
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: By the way

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall View Post
Read the whole article. The man is unhinged.

TM
Completely. Totally.

He is the bastard child of Karl "We make our own reality" Rove and Rush "Big Fat Idiot" Limbaugh, inheriting the worst qualities of each.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 12:07 PM   #4070
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: By the way

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower View Post
Yes, but you created him by failing to understand, or even trying to understand, the current of anti-globalization anger that fuels his voting base, who may or may not be racist, homophobic, xenophobes. Shame on you.
PLF is an obvious Sanders voter.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 12:15 PM   #4071
Not Bob
Moderator
 
Not Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
You could be a Trump voter. This is all status resentment, and no substance.
I'll admit to status resentment, but there are plenty of substantive critiques of the good professor that (I think) Sebby alluded to at some point - Summers' blocking the CFTC from regulating derivatives, his opposition to the Volcker Rule, his testimony to the Fed in 2005 that synthetic securitization was a good thing, etc.

Although I think that the economic issues that Sebby mentions driving support for Trump are really more applicable to Bernie. I don't think dislike of Summers or Rubin is all that relevant to the GOP. Economic angst and uncertainty certainly is in the mix, but I think that the Trump voter is more focused on blaming the Other (or the GOP elected officials who promised to "fix things" and then didn't) than he is in blaming Larry or Bob.
Not Bob is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 01:14 PM   #4072
Sidd Finch
I am beyond a rank!
 
Sidd Finch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 11,873
Re: You on point, Phife?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower View Post
All the time, Tip.

My love of hip hop and funk fed off each other. Sometimes I would first hear a hip hop song with a crazy sampled riff, and only later discover the funk tune that originally contained the riff (for example, Daily Dose #3 -- I had heard Public Enemy's "Timebomb" a thousand times before I discovered that the guitar sample was from the Meters' "Just Kissed My Baby"). Other times, I would hear a hip hop song and immediately recognize the underlying funk sample (Daily Dose #4 - I knew Tribe Called Quest was sampling Funkadelic the first moment I heard the song).

Yet part of what I loved about groups like Tribe and De La Soul was that they did not feel constrained to sample James Brown, Sly, P-Funk, and the Meters over and over. In fact, there appeared to be no limitations on where they would find their inspiration (De La's first album sampled everything from Steely Dan to Schoolhouse Rock; Tribe's first sampled Lou Reed, Stevie Wonder, and so much more). Tribe was also one of the first to truly incorporate jazz riffs in a way that did not seem forced at all. The Green Dolphin Street sample in We Got the Jazz was brilliant and for those who still think there is no artistry in hip hop, let that song alone be irrebutable proof that you are wrong. Hiring jazz great Ron Carter for one of the cuts on Low End Theory was also way ahead of the curve. Tribe's music and the lyrical interplay between Q-Tip and Phife Dawg sounds as fresh and relevant today as it did in 1989 (with the occasional exception of lines like "Mr. Dinkins, will you please be our mayor").

As Thurgreed would argue (and few would disagree), Q-Tip was the source of most of the musical and lyrical genius of the group. It is no accident that Q-Tip was just named the Kennedy Center's first Artistic Director for Hip-Hop culture. But on songs like Check the Rhime, the back and forth between Phife and Tip was magic.

Sadly, Phife has died at 45, probably from health problems related to his lifelong struggle with diabetes. So today's Daily Dose goes out to him. Minnie Riperton's "This Love I have" is really more a soul song than a pure funk song, but the opening riff that was sample by Tribe on Check the Rhime is straight up funky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYUhMb74bjw#t=13

Check the Rhime by Tribe. R.I.P. Malik Taylor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3PW2dXh0dk

Is this where people are supposed to weigh in with "I really don't like that rap music"?
__________________
Where are my elephants?!?!
Sidd Finch is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 01:51 PM   #4073
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
I'll admit to status resentment, but there are plenty of substantive critiques of the good professor that (I think) Sebby alluded to at some point - Summers' blocking the CFTC from regulating derivatives, his opposition to the Volcker Rule, his testimony to the Fed in 2005 that synthetic securitization was a good thing, etc.

Although I think that the economic issues that Sebby mentions driving support for Trump are really more applicable to Bernie. I don't think dislike of Summers or Rubin is all that relevant to the GOP. Economic angst and uncertainty certainly is in the mix, but I think that the Trump voter is more focused on blaming the Other (or the GOP elected officials who promised to "fix things" and then didn't) than he is in blaming Larry or Bob.
Of course Not Bob defends Rubin.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 02:36 PM   #4074
ThurgreedMarshall
[intentionally omitted]
 
ThurgreedMarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 18,597
Re: By the way

Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
I'm not quite sure what "re the racism charge" means when followed by that link to the 12% black support article. I'm not going to try to guess. Maybe you can fill us in.

TM
ThurgreedMarshall is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 02:52 PM   #4075
ThurgreedMarshall
[intentionally omitted]
 
ThurgreedMarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 18,597
Re: You on point, Phife?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower View Post
All the time, Tip.

My love of hip hop and funk fed off each other. Sometimes I would first hear a hip hop song with a crazy sampled riff, and only later discover the funk tune that originally contained the riff (for example, Daily Dose #3 -- I had heard Public Enemy's "Timebomb" a thousand times before I discovered that the guitar sample was from the Meters' "Just Kissed My Baby"). Other times, I would hear a hip hop song and immediately recognize the underlying funk sample (Daily Dose #4 - I knew Tribe Called Quest was sampling Funkadelic the first moment I heard the song).

Yet part of what I loved about groups like Tribe and De La Soul was that they did not feel constrained to sample James Brown, Sly, P-Funk, and the Meters over and over. In fact, there appeared to be no limitations on where they would find their inspiration (De La's first album sampled everything from Steely Dan to Schoolhouse Rock; Tribe's first sampled Lou Reed, Stevie Wonder, and so much more). Tribe was also one of the first to truly incorporate jazz riffs in a way that did not seem forced at all. The Green Dolphin Street sample in We Got the Jazz was brilliant and for those who still think there is no artistry in hip hop, let that song alone be irrebutable proof that you are wrong. Hiring jazz great Ron Carter for one of the cuts on Low End Theory was also way ahead of the curve. Tribe's music and the lyrical interplay between Q-Tip and Phife Dawg sounds as fresh and relevant today as it did in 1989 (with the occasional exception of lines like "Mr. Dinkins, will you please be our mayor").

As Thurgreed would argue (and few would disagree), Q-Tip was the source of most of the musical and lyrical genius of the group. It is no accident that Q-Tip was just named the Kennedy Center's first Artistic Director for Hip-Hop culture. But on songs like Check the Rhime, the back and forth between Phife and Tip was magic.

Sadly, Phife has died at 45, probably from health problems related to his lifelong struggle with diabetes. So today's Daily Dose goes out to him. Minnie Riperton's "This Love I have" is really more a soul song than a pure funk song, but the opening riff that was sample by Tribe on Check the Rhime is straight up funky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYUhMb74bjw#t=13

Check the Rhime by Tribe. R.I.P. Malik Taylor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3PW2dXh0dk
Love this post.

Tribe is my favorite group of all time (any genre). 'Tip made it happen, but they wouldn't be anywhere near as good without Phife diddog. From the moment I was introduced to their music, it was pure love. They were the next evolutionary step from De La (whose music spoke to me on a level that no other did in high school) and, as far as I'm concerned, no one has evolved beyond them. Mos Def and Talib, Kanye, Lupe, The Roots, and countless others all owe them their careers (or at least a major part of their sound), but none surpassed them.

And Phife, while not the strongest lyrically, could hold his own with anyone. He was clever, fun, magnetic, and the perfect balance to Tip's smooth, laid back delivery. As I said on facebook earlier, today, the shorty Phife Dawg is everyone's favorite MC.

TM

Last edited by ThurgreedMarshall; 03-23-2016 at 03:16 PM..
ThurgreedMarshall is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 03:16 PM   #4076
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Registered User
 
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
Posts: 20,182
Re: Oral Arghs this AM

Someone needs to do on article comparing Alito et al.'s attitudes toward "burdens" on individuals when purchasing guns or birth control.
__________________
A wee dram a day!
Greedy,Greedy,Greedy is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 03:37 PM   #4077
Not Bob
Moderator
 
Not Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Podunkville
Posts: 6,034
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy View Post
Of course Not Bob defends Rubin.
Re Bill Clinton's cabinet, there days I'm really more of a Bob Reich kinda guy.
Not Bob is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 03:54 PM   #4078
Tyrone Slothrop
Moderasaurus Rex
 
Tyrone Slothrop's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 33,080
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Bob View Post
I'll admit to status resentment, but there are plenty of substantive critiques of the good professor that (I think) Sebby alluded to at some point - Summers' blocking the CFTC from regulating derivatives, his opposition to the Volcker Rule, his testimony to the Fed in 2005 that synthetic securitization was a good thing, etc.

Although I think that the economic issues that Sebby mentions driving support for Trump are really more applicable to Bernie. I don't think dislike of Summers or Rubin is all that relevant to the GOP. Economic angst and uncertainty certainly is in the mix, but I think that the Trump voter is more focused on blaming the Other (or the GOP elected officials who promised to "fix things" and then didn't) than he is in blaming Larry or Bob.
- Summers has certainly made mistakes. I'm right there with you on the regulations of derivatives.

- Consensus economics has largely failed the country and the people who vote for Trump over the last many years.

- Some of the things for which Sebby faults Summers are obviously not his fault, and there are important ways in which we would be better off if Summers were listened to more.

- Sebby's fondness for deriding Summer's weight is Trumpian.
__________________
“It was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
Tyrone Slothrop is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 04:06 PM   #4079
Adder
I am beyond a rank!
 
Adder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 17,175
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
- Summers has certainly made mistakes. I'm right there with you on the regulations of derivatives.

- Consensus economics has largely failed the country and the people who vote for Trump over the last many years.

- Some of the things for which Sebby faults Summers are obviously not his fault, and there are important ways in which we would be better off if Summers were listened to more.

- Sebby's fondness for deriding Summer's weight is Trumpian.
I'd add to this that it's weird to single out Summers for particular opprobrium for things that were not particularly controversial at the time (e.g., Glass-Steagall repeal). Especially when the general consensus is that those things haven't really been the problem (same).
Adder is offline  
Old 03-23-2016, 04:16 PM   #4080
sebastian_dangerfield
Moderator
 
sebastian_dangerfield's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monty Capuletti's gazebo
Posts: 26,231
Re: Hey Sebby!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
You could be a Trump voter. This is all status resentment, and no substance.
Really, because I kind of think those articles had just a little substance to them. I think it's you who's got nothing in terms of reply.

But yes, there is some resentment. I resent people who repeatedly fuck up, and have never proven themselves in the private sector, inflicting their economic policy suggestions on us. These same criticisms could be aimed at Milton Friedman.

Deification of pure academics pontificating about real world processes is dangerous. This buffoon just recently argued that we should rid the world of $100 bills. This is a direct assault on our freedoms. Why? Well, of course, because Larry, who is right on everything in theory, knows what's best for us. Nevermind his track record and gross inexperience in working within the private economy he knows so well...

You'll never get it because you deify people like Summers. I see him for what he is. And I rightly resent, quite deeply, that a person so wrong so often still insists on joining the big policy debates. Go teach a class, Larry. You're out of your depth, and dangerous.
__________________
All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.
sebastian_dangerfield is offline  
Closed Thread


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.0.1

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:03 PM.