Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

It will be interesting to see whether a stricter enforcement of policy changes the complexion of people in jails.

I'll bet those warnings without arrests are more often given to white boys in beemers than black kids in bucket-of-bolts old chevys.

It might be a good thing to force departments toward policies instead of discretion.

If any of our kids end up in jail, well, that'll just be collateral damage, no more outs for being part of the establishment.

This is one of the cops from the reddit thread:

I understand where you're coming from, but I have only worked in acres homes, third ward, sunnyside, and greenspoint, so I have stopped exactly zero rich white kids in those neighborhoods in the last four years. I have spent more time and energy trying to talk low income black male juveniles who didn't have a record out of the path they were heading down which could've easily started with what I'd just pulled out of their pocket or sock. I see everyday what the lack of good decisionmaking and education has done to those young men and those neighborhoods, and to the guys in my unit, it's a very rare thing to encounter a young black man in those neighborhoods without a record, so when we do, and we have to power to keep him without a record, we try to keep it that way. We'd rather put the fear of god in him about what the future looks like if he doesn't stop doing stupid stuff and let him go than to book him and start him down a hole he can't climb out of. My partner, who is black, grew up in Acres Homes, and he's a great testament and eye opener to those early teenagers who are on the cusp of either keeping on the narrow path and making a success of themselves or going with the flow of the neighborhood and culture and joining the rest of their peers

And another.

I'm all for more rich white kids going to jail. What will be a problem that impacts those non-rich white kids in the hood, and everyone else in the hood will be the taxing of resources. First, the jails will have a good deal more residents. Second, officers will be tied up DWI cases and marijuana cases, when they could be out finding those more dangerous criminals, harassing the dope dealers, and so on. It is a continual balancing act for officers that actually put in hard work.
You do not want to spend time away from your area processing a needless arrest, when you could be in the area deterring or responding a robbery crew or burglary crew that is wreaking havoc among those you are supposed to protect. So you let the joint go, or you let the old guy/dumb kid/single mom tow her car home or get a friend to pick them up.
This is what worries me the most, as our resources are already very taxed, and no authority in the department has addressed this.

He goes into a lot more detail in the thread.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

This is one of the cops from the reddit thread:



And another.



He goes into a lot more detail in the thread.

It sounds like GGG will have his kids drive down there so a white kid could get arrested?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

why do you assume the people let go are mostly white?

I just wanted to see this in all its glory.

You, Mr. Chinaski, are a very funny man.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I just wanted to see this in all its glory.

You, Mr. Chinaski, are a very funny man.

stp

Facts, like well intentioned liberals, are stupid things.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

stp

Facts, like well intentioned liberals, are stupid things.

So you don't think white kids get let off more than black kids?

Of course stuff varies based on location, and there are lots of cops working very hard in every neighborhood to figure out how to balance a lot of different concerns. But overall?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So you don't think white kids get let off more than black kids?

Of course stuff varies based on location, and there are lots of cops working very hard in every neighborhood to figure out how to balance a lot of different concerns. But overall?

did you read this part?

“The race issue isn’t just that the judge is going, ‘Oh, black man, I’m gonna sentence you higher,’” she said. “The police go into low-income minority neighborhoods and that’s where they make most of their drug arrests. If they arrest you, now you have a ‘prior,’ so if you plead or get arrested again, you’re gonna have a higher sentence. There’s a kind of cumulative effect.”

The arrests happen where the police are, and the letting people off also happens where the police are. I suppose there is another type of "letting people off" which is they don't roam around my neighborhood looking to stop cars, but that ain't the type the cameras will impact.

Your article didn't talk about the other type of "letting white people off," that was your strawman, to the contrary. so according to your article, and the actual people who know what the fuck they are talking about (my lawyer and the Police RT cited) black kids are going to be impacted by the cameras negatively.

Perhaps there are ways to address that, I assume supervisors give police crap for letting someone go because they are judged on stats? Let's not judge supervisors on stats, but don't let your silly assumptions hurt the people you claim to want to help.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

The arrests happen where the police are, and the letting people off also happens where the police are.

Although they say a white person where the police are is particularly likely to be interpreted as suspicious.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Although they say a white person where the police are is particularly likely to be interpreted as suspicious.

yes, my son was almost shot by NYPD for being in a neighborhood near Kennedy. but that means there aren't that many white people in that neighborhood. and also it seemed they were looking to bust people with small amounts. If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

yes, my son was almost shot by NYPD for being in a neighborhood near Kennedy. but that means there aren't that many white people in that neighborhood. and also it seemed they were looking to bust people with small amounts. If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.

I was at a TV on the Radio show in Manhattan a number of years back, and we went outside to roam among the smokers and engage in our own business. My friend convinced me it was "hiding in plain sight." The cop who approached us focused on the "in plain sight" part of the equation. He went easy on us, but with a body camera it night have been a different story? Anyhoo, here is Cymande again with just a super groovy groove. Today's Daily Dose is The Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO91BtMIciU

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I was at a TV on the Radio show in Manhattan a number of years back, and we went outside to roam among the smokers and engage in our own business. My friend convinced me it was "hiding in plain sight." The cop who approached us focused on the "in plain sight" part of the equation. He went easy on us, but with a body camera it night have been a different story? Anyhoo, here is Cymande again with just a super groovy groove. Today's Daily Dose is The Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO91BtMIciU

is this new thing a sock trying to mock how ggg tries to imply street cred? cuz otherwise i don't get it.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

That was excellent.

For Punjabi jazz, here is Red Baraat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmYpArvehc

Just getting back to some earlier posts. This is good stuff. It's like Rebirth Brass Band meets Panjabi MC but, like, different.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I was at a TV on the Radio show in Manhattan a number of years back, and we went outside to roam among the smokers and engage in our own business. My friend convinced me it was "hiding in plain sight." The cop who approached us focused on the "in plain sight" part of the equation. He went easy on us, but with a body camera it night have been a different story? Anyhoo, here is Cymande again with just a super groovy groove. Today's Daily Dose is The Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO91BtMIciU

very nice.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

yes, my son was almost shot by NYPD for being in a neighborhood near Kennedy. but that means there aren't that many white people in that neighborhood. and also it seemed they were looking to bust people with small amounts. If he had bought something it didn't sound like he would have been let go.

I don't know enough about how policing works in most places, but I think that your son's example (and Flower's below) shows how the same policy (attack street level vices - drugs, prostitution, public drinking, etc.) can play out differently in different parts of town. I'm not sure that race is the only factor in that difference, but I bet it is part of the calculus.

And it's not just a white cop/black kid issue - in Ta-Nehesi Coates' book "Between the World and Me," he talks about his friend who was shot and killed by a cop while "driving while black" in a new car at night in a middle class suburb of DC. Same old same old, right? But it was a majority black town and the cop was black. (Of course, the cop culture in some places cause even black cops internalize the racism - I think TM mentioned this before re TCOTU.)

I honestly don't know what the best answer is. I think that giving authority figures some discretion* can be a good thing, but it seems like body cameras will save people from being shot, beaten, or otherwise mistreated. That's a trade off that works for me, but I do appreciate that getting arrested for having a bag of weed could ruin the future of a kid who's stayed out of trouble in a place where that ain't easy.

I suppose the reality is that there will be negative implications from mandating body cameras, and it's foolish to pretend otherwise.

*This kind of reminds me of the unintended impact of some "zero tolerance" rules in schools, which (as Atticus used to remind us) forced school principals suspending students who have a steak knife in their car from the family move and who chew their sandwich into the shape if a pistol.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

And it's not just a white cop/black kid issue - in Ta-Nehesi Coates' book "Between the World and Me," he talks about his friend who was shot and killed by a cop while "driving while black" in a new car at night in a middle class suburb of DC. Same old same old, right? But it was a majority black town and the cop was black. (Of course, the cop culture in some places cause even black cops internalize the racism - I think TM mentioned this before re TCOTU.)

The Prince Jones case was all over the DC news at the time and it was strange to come across it in an entirely different context and perspective in TNC's book.

In a similar vein, I was talking with an AUSA this weekend who had just wrapped up a trial of an officer accused civil rights violations who agreed that there often is an issue of cultural that can overcome that the race of the cop.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Just getting back to some earlier posts. This is good stuff. It's like Rebirth Brass Band meets Panjabi MC but, like, different.

Flower liked my music tip.

I feel like one of the cool kids....