Pepper sprayed for public safety.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

He's a defense guy?

He was a prosecutor (in CCIPS) and is now a professor. I wouldn't think of him as a defense guy.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

He was a prosecutor (in CCIPS) and is now a professor. I wouldn't think of him as a defense guy.

OK, makes sense. I think of him as having represented Lori Drew.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

This is what I've learned from Hank's post.

The thing here is, JSTOR doesn't own or create any intellectual property (outside of a few modest delivery mechanisms - they don't even have interesting data structures). They provide a service, and some (only some) of what they provide is access to other's IP.

But, Hank, like the prosecutor and like many, many other intelligent people, are rushing to find property somewhere in cyberspace. That is what everyone's instinct is. In reality, what Aaron was saying was, don't let the guy with the tools claim ownership to everything we use the tools for.

G the things that are printed come with a royalty due. It's what the license fee is intended to cover. Patent attorneys must cite copies of prior art to th USPTO. There has been major copyright battles over our copying things off the internet and sending them to the PTO. The original owner is owed money. It's not much per copy (a penny?). It is a lot per year for a firm.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

You don't get it, Ty. He's litigating, man, and he's the best litigator ever, so don't even try to talk about his silly analogies, because doing so just means you think Swartz was innocent.

You know, this whole thing would make a lot more sense if Hank's online persona was a drug addict of some sort.

and to wrap up our little life of chatting to each, I merely note that I only said "litigation" because you made the dumbest argument you can make in litigation, "Some people think the law should change......"

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Do the animal folks do it through cyber space?

My bet is, most of them, if they are disrupting a lab, are pretty clearly trespassing, because labs do things like lock doors, and may be breaking and entering, and may be damaging property - all good, healthy state law issues that will get them an unpleasant time with the cops and some punishment from a judge.

I don't know that I'd advocate much more for them; calling secret service or FBI seems excessive. Probably if they were letting exotic diseases out of the lab we'd want those guys, but not if they are just liberating some cancerous mice.

Again, it's the justification not the action that is similar. And the people who they mess with probably would call the secret service (if the secret service cared about such things).