Maybe you all should go back to citing blog quotes after all?

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Adder

No, I think he has "gotten it" all along.

This is an example why it is hard to engage with you. You are incapable of admitting even what the President is tacitly admitting.

Whether or not they actually engage in a legitimate review/trimming, it's a big overture to the business community, which wouldn't be needed if he has "gotten it" all along.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

it's a big overture to the business community

So, the business community is just as stupid as everyone else. Got it.

I expect one tangible thing to be some modification of Hank's dreaded 1099 requirements.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

This is an example why it is hard to engage with you. You are incapable of admitting even what the President is tacitly admitting.

Whether or not they actually engage in a legitimate review/trimming, it's a big overture to the business community, which wouldn't be needed if he has "gotten it" all along.

I am glad you perceive it that way, but would note that it's not the first similar move by any stretch over the last few years. Indeed, Obama was the one pulling on the House's and Senate's reins on things like regulated executive comp for TARP recipients, at a point when it really wasn't popular.*

I do think these occassional prunings are useful if you can keep them away from the ideologues. The folks who spend their whole life carping about a few 1099s are just a royal pain in the ass.


* Just a single example to give you his general frame of mind; not an exhaustive list.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

This is an example why it is hard to engage with you. You are incapable of admitting even what the President is tacitly admitting.

Sorry. What would you like me to admit, and what is the president tacitly admitting?

Some who pretend to speak for the business community have been quite unhappy with the administration. As far as I can tell, this is mostly uncertainty about health care and the high-earner tax cuts, to the extent that it has any rational basis.

Now the president has announced some window dressing to help make them feel better.

What admission do you seen in that? That some business people are unhappy?

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Adder

Sorry. What would you like me to admit, and what is the president tacitly admitting?

Some who pretend to speak for the business community have been quite unhappy with the administration. As far as I can tell, this is mostly uncertainty about health care and the high-earner tax cuts, to the extent that it has any rational basis.

Now the president has announced some window dressing to help make them feel better.

What admission do you seen in that? That some business people are unhappy?

He spent the first 2 years of his administration demonizing the business community. He recently has been meeting and engaging with business leaders and now signals a shift, perhaps symbolic, in their direction. It is an admission that his policies and stances had been too weighted against them, and that he needs them if has any chance of a 2nd term.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

He spent the first 2 years of his administration demonizing the business community. He recently has been meeting and engaging with business leaders and now signals a shift, perhaps symbolic, in their direction. It is an admission that his policies and stances had been too weighted against them, and that he needs them if has any chance of a 2nd term.

I'll be the first to say that that is one possible interpretation of the move.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

So, the business community is just as stupid as everyone else. Got it.

I expect one tangible thing to be some modification of Hank's dreaded 1099 requirements.

That's legislative. Dems are willing to do it, but the Rs are blocking it because they only want full repeal considered. They need it in there to rail against.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

I'll be the first to say that that is one possible interpretation of the move.

I'm sure Club is relieved to know that the interpretation he has is actually possible to have.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

That's legislative. Dems are willing to do it, but the Rs are blocking it because they only want full repeal considered. They need it in there to rail against.

So Obama's only going to focus on regulatory things that *don't* require legislative changes? This is sounding more and more like empty rhetoric with every post we make on the subject.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

He spent the first 2 years of his administration demonizing the business community. He recently has been meeting and engaging with business leaders and now signals a shift, perhaps symbolic, in their direction. It is an admission that his policies and stances had been too weighted against them, and that he needs them if has any chance of a 2nd term.

Really? Demonizing, huh?

Setting aside Healthcare, which favors some businesses and disfavors others, and overall leads to significant new funding for the healthcare sector, and financial reform, where he was clearly pulling in the reins and the House, in particular, would have liked to do more, what proposals do you see as so negative and what language as so "demonizing"?

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I'm sure Club is relieved to know that the interpretation he has is actually possible to have.

So, you agree with club?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

So Obama's only going to focus on regulatory things that *don't* require legislative changes? This is sounding more and more like empty rhetoric with every post we make on the subject.

He probably will cover some legislative as well, but that one is so low hanging it's hitting everyone in the face. The only reasons its not done yet is because its fierciest opponents are standing in the way.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Really? Demonizing, huh?

Setting aside Healthcare, which favors some businesses and disfavors others, and overall leads to significant new funding for the healthcare sector, and financial reform, where he was clearly pulling in the reins and the House, in particular, would have liked to do more, what proposals do you see as so negative and what language as so "demonizing"?

I think spending $1b+ per day on what was essentially a corporate junket to India together with scores of CEOs counts as demonization, when one starts looking at possible interpretations.

[Cletus Miller]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

He probably will cover some legislative as well, but that one is so low hanging it's hitting everyone in the face. The only reasons its not done yet is because its fierciest opponents are standing in the way.

CPAs?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

He spent the first 2 years of his administration demonizing the business community.

Yeah, he absolutely isn't "admitting" that. But please feel free to educate me as to why you think that your statement is true, because I don't see it.

I can see the health insurance industry feeling that way. But that's about all that comes to mind for me.