Objectively intelligent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I say this without hint of hyperbole: This is worse than 2008 by many multiples.

2008 could be addressed because it stemmed from one thing: MBS. Fix banking, fix the problem.

This is a health disaster which will metastasize through not only all elements of the economy, but also the social fabric of the country (which is already frayed).

The only way to deal with this is a nuclear option. Forced shutdown of all but essential services.

Now.

And we needn't take that economic pain, which would be distributed unfairly. We needn't say, "Oh well, it's always a bad idea to own an eatery" or "Well, bricks and mortar retail was already fading," or "Find another gym." No. We can and must save those people because It's Not Their Fault.

And the way to do that is to freeze time. Sixty day national forbearance.

(Adder, don't tell me why this is cumbersome, or impossible. It's not. It's totally doable. If we can pass that sick leave bill - which as structured will do very little to help any workers - we can freeze payment obligations for 60 days.)

Atrios:

Good Guys And Bad Guys

Maybe there are a couple of possible mechanisms, but the only thing to be done for the economic situation right now is to give a lot of free money to people. It would be at least mildly encouraging if we had one political party arguing for that and another political party arguing the other way and then who knows it might even happen. But that's mostly not what's going to happen (prove me wrong!) and we're at best going to get one side arguing for half measures that are complicated and get watered down and screwed up even more by the other side.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Atrios:

I think the author's heart and mind are generally in the right place, but I'm concerned about giving money to people right now. People will then go out and do things with it. Politicians will argue that we don't need to or shouldn't do an across the board non-essential business shutdown because we need people to go out and spend that money and bring the economy back.

We want people at home, cooped up, not spending on anything, not going anywhere, for at least 14 days. Forbearance does that.

Once we get past those 14 days, then let loose the helicopter money.

I think we need to focus on limiting hospitalizations first, economic concerns second.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Anyone remember when we were promised 1.4 million tests at the beginning of the week and 5 million tests by the end of the week? That was ... looks at calendar... Friday, less than 1 business day ago.

TPM is now reporting that Roche will deliver 400 tests this week.

Come on, securities law plaintiff's bar, sue the bastards.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Shelter in place ordered in San Francisco, coming to the rest of the Bay Area.

eta: Six counties, midnight tonight. Hope I can still walk the dog.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Shelter in place ordered in San Francisco, coming to the rest of the Bay Area.

eta: Six counties, midnight tonight. Hope I can still walk the dog.

I'm wondering if I can still run outside if they go to that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Shelter in place ordered in San Francisco, coming to the rest of the Bay Area.

eta: Six counties, midnight tonight. Hope I can still walk the dog.

Pa went nuclear. Full shutdown of all nonessential businesses for two weeks.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm wondering if I can still run outside if they go to that.

I'm biking. Fuck that. No cardio for two weeks? I'll go fucking insane.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I'm biking. Fuck that. No cardio for two weeks? I'll go fucking insane.

SF's health officer says you can walk the dog or go for a hike, but if you do it with a friend, stay at least 6' away. Thank God.

eta: Here's the Santa Clara County order, for anyone who likes to see such things.

[Hank Chinaski]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wta...virus/31674171 No hate sebby but y’all need to move.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wta...virus/31674171 No hate sebby but y’all need to move.

I would just like to thank RT for pointing out, several days ago, that when you shelter in place it's important to stock on much more booze than you would have thought appropriate.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I would just like to thank RT for pointing out, several days ago, that when you shelter in place it's important to stock on much more booze than you would have thought appropriate.

Michigan grocery stores sell booze, so cannot get drink equates to dying anyway. Don’t California’s? Pa is just fucked drinking-wise, especially for a state where we know so much discourse is at cocktail parties.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm wondering if I can still run outside if they go to that.

They will have to shoot me to keep me from running outside.

But:

For purposes of this Order, individuals may leave their residence only to perform any of the following "Essential Activities.": . . .

To engage in outdoor activity, provided the individuals comply with Social Distancing Requirements as defined in this Section, such as, by way of example and without limitation, walking, hiking, or running.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Michigan grocery stores sell booze, so cannot get drink equates to dying anyway. Don’t California’s? Pa is just fucked drinking-wise, especially for a state where we know so much discourse is at cocktail parties.

I have a full coors light machine filled with beer.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

I have a full coors light machine filled with beer.

Marry me?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wta...virus/31674171 No hate sebby but y’all need to move.

Knob Creek, random wines, loads of La Fin du Monde and Dragon’s Milk stout, bunch of double ipas, three fifths of Bombay Sapphire, and some of this and that.

Duck rillettes, fig jam, cheeses. Frozen seafood and steaks. I got ahead of it.

Yeah, flyover shithole. But if you know where and when to go...