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Nerves of steel, a head full of passwords and an instinctive flair for grammar. It's like a focus group designed you specifically to get the FBetties all hot and bothered.

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Heretic.

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Keep fighting the good fight, man! Stem the tide!

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Thank you. Late Sunday night, I was reviewing the work of a rising star associate, a former teacher, when I saw the the word "which" used in the restrictive setting. Twice. I felt the overwhelming urge to stop fighting against rising waters and succumb to the darkness. But with your words I am reenergized to continue the battle. We shall overcome!

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I often prefer to omit the "that" as is suggested in one of the MLA sentences above:

"Some people say (that) success is one percent of talent and ninety-nine percent of hard work."

but I have a partner who always inserts the "that."

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That use of that is not introducing a restrictive clause, but instead is simply unnecessary.

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That that usage of that comes up often always puzzles me.

I thought it was a good example of the silliness engaged in by the MLA.

Flower, you're correcting the associates' grammah?! Don't you have someone to do that for you?

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I had a partner that would see this sentence:

D. says the law says X, however, that is no longer true.

He would say "however" should almost never be used in the middle os a sentence- that is, he mirrored the Stunk rule, or inverted it. He was far to senior for me to call bs on, and I know modern usage is breaking up the S&W rule as being a rule, but it hasn't inverted the rule.

My only response was to eliminate "however" from my brief writing toolbox.

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The partner I worked with was the opposite, and said that "however" could never start a sentence.

The result, though, was the same.

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I read this slam on educators as some indictment of the teacher's unions and the Dem party that supports them. If so, please take this to the politics board.

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You should check in over there because you may be needed as my second.

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No one noticed the failure to use a semi-colon?

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I suppose I could have e-mailed another associate on Sunday night and instructed him or her review the brief first thing Monday morning and correct all the which-that mix-ups. That would have taken more time than fixing it myself, but you are correct that it is a bit unseemly to have to go about correcting associate grammar all the time. That is the approach I will take next time. Alternately, I will e-mail the original author of the brief with the message, "I noticed some grammatical errors. Fix them by the time I get in tomorrow."

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No.