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Replaced_Texan 10-02-2009 11:55 AM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 402199)
If it's Rio (and it will be), I think I'd rather go the World Cup in 2014.

We're thinking about heading to Vancouver in February.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-02-2009 11:55 AM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 402201)
Copenhagen

You can see it in my smile.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-02-2009 11:57 AM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402204)
We're thinking about heading to Vancouver in February.

Got a place to stay? I understand it's pretty hard to find anything.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-02-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 402201)
My aunt flew to Copenhagen for the pitch this week. Though they knew it was a long shot overall, hope had grown.

Apparently the Mayor and Ryan (?) were really not good. I heard the President and the First Lady's speeches live and they were good, but the questions about logistics did not sound promising.

It would have been a disaster. The EL is a disaster before Cubs games (40,000 people). How were they going to accommodate millions?

Replaced_Texan 10-02-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 402206)
Got a place to stay? I understand it's pretty hard to find anything.

Friends' floors. Having a vast internet friend base has its advantages.

evenodds 10-02-2009 12:00 PM

Re: Friend Zone
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 402194)
I do not think the place you call home is on this planet.

Follow up: Did he stop handing you stirrers at Starbucks or something?

How did you know? He used to give me extra shots in my white chocolate mocha frappucino. That means he liked me right, since now, he was like, that's an extra $.35.

Sidd Finch 10-02-2009 12:00 PM

Re: Maybe Hank isn't entirely wrong
 
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Originally Posted by Jack Manfred (Post 402166)
If I'm correct, I'm the only poster on this board who has actually prosecuted both adults and juveniles for forcible and statutory rape. With that said, let me say that I might understand what Hank is getting at.

As a prosecutor in California today, I am not on board with pleading someone out to a PC 261.5 statutory rape if I believe that the defendant violated PC 261(a)(2) by forcibly raping someone. But sometimes what you thought was a statutory rape case turns out to be a forcible rape case. The victim might be so traumatized in a date-rape situation with an older man that she minimizes or doesn't explain the perpetrator's conduct during the first interview with the police. The reverse is also true: sometimes what you thought was a forcible rape is actually statutory rape. Dad assumes that the reason his precious angel is pregnant is because she was raped, and daughter is too afraid to explain the whole story until after the police have been called.

If I'm the prosecutor now on a case with Polanski's facts, I'm not going to let it settle for a PC 261.5. Not when I can get a conviction on a PC 288(a) for lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14. That's harder for the defense to fight than either the 261(a)(2) or the 261.5. And unlike a PC 261.5, the judge can't reduce it to a misdemeanor. The middle term is six years prison. The mitigated term is three years prison.

Two more points. First, prosecutors do file charges on statutory rape cases even though there's no issue involving force or actual consent. If you're 25 and your girlfriend is 15, expect charges. Same thing if you're 17 and your girlfriend is 13. And I can file PC 288(a) on a juvenile if they're over 14 and having sex with someone under 14. Now the typical DA's office in California is going to turn down cases where the 17-year old boy sleeps with his 15-year old girlfriend, and her angry parents drop a dime on the boyfriend. But if he gets her pregnant? And she's keeping it? Maybe someone wants to make sure the boyfriend takes a parenting class or a sex ed class or is staying in school so he at least has a diploma for a slightly better-paying job over the next 18 years. Now that's where there's a lot of discretion and leeway, especially in juvenile court, and where statutory rape should be charged as or settled for a misdemeanor.

Second, it's worth noting that the main reason society needs rape shield laws is because judges consistently and appallingly lacked the fortitude to sustain objections to the victim's past sexual history and what she was wearing and other irrelevant evidence that was solicited solely to sully the victim and make her cross-examination an ordeal. Just look at the transcript from the Polanski proceedings. The lawyers make it plain what tactics they had planned for the victim. None of that should have been admissible 30 years ago under a 352 analysis (think FRE 403) or even an FRE 402 analysis. It's shameful that we need them, and it's even more shameful when judges don't use them properly today. [/RANT]

I can't speak to what the prosecutors should have done 30 years ago, as my main interests at that time were Legos, Star Wars action figures, and the Muppet Show.

With today's Penal Code, I'd bury Polanski.


This is interesting, but I thought there was a general rule against people posting on something about which they have actual knowledge.

Or is that just for the PB?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-02-2009 12:08 PM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 402207)
It would have been a disaster. The EL is a disaster before Cubs games (40,000 people). How were they going to accommodate millions?

We were recently in Athens, and let me tell you, it's amazing what spending $15 or $20 billion on infrastructure can do for a city.

I hope they at least proposed some new lines and special trains.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-02-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 402211)
We were recently in Athens, and let me tell you, it's amazing what spending $15 or $20 billion on infrastructure can do for a city.

I hope they at least proposed some new lines and special trains.

One of the main reasons I initially wanted the games here was so that they'd upgrade the transit system. I don't recall hearing any proposals to do so.

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2009 12:22 PM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 402199)
If it's Rio (and it will be), I think I'd rather go the World Cup in 2014.

if anyone is thinking about going PM me for [advice/shit to avoid] in going to olympics (for 2012 even)

greatwhitenorthchick 10-02-2009 12:23 PM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 402204)
We're thinking about heading to Vancouver in February.

I told my friend this morning that if she makes the Olympic team (and it's likely she will), I will go to London to support her. I'm not a huge fan of the Olympics, but I think it would be great to watch someone you know compete.

Plus if she makes the team, I can say that I had my rib broken by an Olympian, so it's almost like I share the glory.

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 402200)
I hope Obama and Oprah and Co. have at least set up a decent shot for a later bid for another city, but we've had four Olympics in the US in the last 25 years, and this year's winter olympics are in our suburbs to the north.

I suspect the vote is overwhelmingly going to Rio, and that the other three are all really squabbling over a handful of votes.

isn't rio really polluted? did that come up at all?

Cletus Miller 10-02-2009 12:24 PM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 402212)
One of the main reasons I initially wanted the games here was so that they'd upgrade the transit system. I don't recall hearing any proposals to do so.

There weren't, but only b/c they didn't have any way to pay for that, except raising our taxes. They needed to claim that the total cost was $3.6b to keep people from totally freaking. Once we got it, then the add-ons would start, and we'd get stuck with the extra $15b or whatever.

Atticus Grinch 10-02-2009 12:26 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
In Fresno, a father is being prosecuted for felony mayhem for giving his 7-year-old son a gang tattoo. Defense says it's no more painful or disfiguring than circumcision or infant ear piercing.

Atticus Grinch 10-02-2009 12:29 PM

Re: Wow
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 402215)
I told my friend this morning that if she makes the Olympic team (and it's likely she will), I will go to London to support her. I'm not a huge fan of the Olympics, but I think it would be great to watch someone you know compete.

Plus if she makes the team, I can say that I had my rib broken by an Olympian, so it's almost like I share the glory.

BTW, about your avatar, it looks to me like the aspect ratio was stretched vertically, giving the illusion of narrower hips and a longer torso without retouching. NTTAWWT.


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