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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You act like it's all filet mignon and blowjobs during the time prisoners are held before beheading. What a stupid thing to say.
I do not understand why we can't have a conversation about one thing without you constantly saying, "Hey! But look at all this other bad shit!" Yeah. That shit is bad too, whether it's in the past or being carried out right now. I don't need to talk about why McVeigh is drawn to radical militia-type groups. He's a fucking poor white man who thinks the government hates him and loves minorities. I don't need to talk about why the klan committed acts of terrorism. They're poor white people who were always told they were better than jews and blacks and who desperately wanted to hold on to that belief in a changing world.
If the answer to why so many people commit violent acts in the name of Allah is as simple as they are poor, disaffected and angry at the West, who they have been told is waging a religious war against muslims and brown-skinned people in general, then ok. Maybe that's the answer. But I don't get why we can't have a discussion about all the evil shit so many mullahs do in the name of Islam to women and non-western non-believers. It's like it's perfectly acceptable to read an article by a muslim woman who was raped and had to flee her homeland so she wouldn't be subject to an honor killing. But when I point to that article, all of a sudden it's a fucking problem.
What's funny about this is that your buddy Bill Maher was fired way back because he said that the people who flew the planes into the WTC weren't cowards, as every Western person was calling them at that point. He said committing suicide in furtherance of their cause (no matter how fucked up the cause) was the exact opposite of cowardice. But that is neither here nor there.
Why are you even saying this. Roughly NO ONE has made this argument anywhere on this board. Jesus fucking Christ.
Yes. Let's.
Sidd's right. This conversation has gone off the rails. One side is continually talking about the problem with a not insignificant part of the Islamic community, particularly in the Middle East, and wondering why that portion is so violent not just with acts of terrorism against us, but against women, people who live as neighbors who don't share the same beliefs, people who draw cartoons, people who write books, etc. Apparently no one can even ask that question because there are other groups of people out there who do evil shit too, like us. The other side keeps insisting that we stop talking about how Islam is evil. What the fuck? This is ridiculous.
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I don't think the argument was or is about saying that there are some Muslims doing bad shit and teaching others that it's okay to do bad shit in the name of Allah. That is crystal clear and undisputable. What I was picking up in the discourse, and if I was misinterpreting, I'm sorry and I'll take it all back, was the suggestion that there was something inherent in Islam, unique to any other religious following, that was encouraging or nurturing that teaching.
Again, if I was reading too much into what anyone said, I'm sorry.
