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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's really sad to see DOJ's institutional credibility prostituted to protect Donald Trump. Democrats are going to need to find some way to punish those responsible, unlike what Obama did with the torturers.
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Wasn't it you who assailed Barr for summarizing a report he'd actually seen before releasing all of its contents? And here you are opining that there was no improper surveillance when you have 0000.00 facts on which to base that conclusion. Don't say otherwise. You don't have facts. You have at best your conjecture. You don't know what the FISA courts did, what was requested, who requested it, and whether it was justified. (I know you're thinking of trying to get around this. Stop. You can't. Find another line of response.)
Your need to put intellectual scaffolding behind your "team" instincts is getting old. You don't like Trump. You didn't like Bush. Got it. Fair enough. I don't like them, either. But I also don't feel the need to attack everything they do. (Not that I'm saying you attacked everything Bush did. I probably attacked him more than you.)
Nobody here commented on the Times article I cited stating that most Democrats are moderates and don't give a shit about the stuff we often argue about on this board. I didn't expect many comments because it's kind of cold shower. Kind of underscores the silliness of the arguments we have here, and the idiotic political carping one sees on Twitter or FB. It also makes a lot of the media look foolish for following extremists.
To attack everything Trump does all the time, to attack everything any President does all the time, to find conspiracies within the DOJ, and to preposterously call for prosecution without even knowing the facts, puts you in Crazytown.
Leave Crazytown. Crazytown is bad. Crazytown is the people on Twitter that the Times article advised us The Silent Majority of the Country Ignores.
If you've adopted the notion that all that Trump does must be resisted and everything assiduously criticized, you care too much. It's cuckoo pants thinking. It's why the country ignores you. And the country does ignore you.
Russiagate? Voters don't care.
Stormy and a campaign finance violations? Voters don't care.
Trump's latest dipshit Tweet? Voters don't care.
Voters don't even care about obstruction. In the court of public opinion, if there's no predicate crime, it's a nothing burger. If you don't like that, write an OpEd. (No one will read it.)
Voters care about their economic health. And they - we - are exhausted not only by the endless criticism of Presidents since Clinton, but also by the bullshit intellectual arguments offered to support the near hormonal reactions to these people. We who are cynical about politicians, rightly, don't believe you. We see you have picked a side and dug in, and you reach conclusions first and assemble facts later to support your conclusions. "Whitewater and Vincent Foster!!!" "Bush is going to Iraq for his daddy and oil!" "Obama is playing the race card!" "Trump is evil incarnate."
Enough already. If you've reached the point where you hate every single thing a politician does, even if it's neutral, you need to put away the keyboard. If you've reached the point that you seethe at someone for even suggesting your opposition to a politician is partly unwarranted or a bit unhinged, it's time to turn off your news feed. If you reach the point that you're opining that the head of DOJ is in a conspiracy with the President and that people should be prosecuted, without any evidence to support this, you need help. If you do that while out of the other side of your mouth saying, again without evidence, that there is no credibility to any allegation of improper surveillance, you need a straight jacket.
Ask yourself, if in 2021, after Trump is gone, we discover that a FISA court allowed the FBI to engage in surveillance on a Democratic candidate, whether you'd be so quick to brush it off. You wouldn't be. You'd howl for justice. Why? Because you've picked a side, and you'll build whatever intellectual scaffolding you need to give your side a pass and deny all passes to the other side.
I only use "you" out of convenience. The behavior I see here is engaged in by almost everyone with a hard-on for politics. Which is why so many of the people in that Times article, Ds, Rs, and Independents, ignore you. Nothing is more irritating than knowing exactly where and why a person will react to an issue or a politician and then listen to this person make up nonsense to convince you his blind dislike, or hatred, is actually exclusively grounded in cool, rational thinking. Sure, some of it is. But if you're in the "resistance" camp, or near it, in regard to any politician, it isn't. It's the lizard brain hijacking the higher functions.
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