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Old 02-05-2007, 06:12 PM   #151
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Or this one: In the past, my dog has been cared for by Spanky when I go away. I have paid him $15 a day. I call Spanky, and he says, look, my rates are going up, I'm going to charge $20 a day. I say, I can't pay more than $17. He says, no deal, I'll got to $19, no less.

So, I drop my dog off at Spanky's house and leave an envelope with $17 a day for a week in it. Spanky calls me, and says, look, I told you, not a dollar less than $19, so come pick up your dog. I say, well, I can't do it today, can you hold him tonight for $17? Spanky says, OK, but just tonight. Then next day, Spanky calls and says, are you getting your dog or not?

The nerve of him. No wonder there are unfed dogs running wild in his backyard.
the fact is if i visit SF I would consider visiting Chez Spanky (presuming the invite :cross: of course) but I would be really nervous about the wild animals and frankly the potential accusations from the unattended kids.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:12 PM   #152
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Usually at the beginning. But if there's no contract, and the school board decides to go into the year with a bunch of teachers who are willing to work without a contract, I don't see how you can fault the professionalism of the teachers for only putting up with that for so long.
So no malpractice issues if I walk off deal because I demanded a 100% fee premium and client refused? What if doctor mid surgery decides he wants to be paid in cash prior to end of surgery when patient doesnt pay, he walks out of surgery? Professional?
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:15 PM   #153
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So no malpractice issues if I walk off deal because I demanded a 100% fee premium and client refused?
you are a special case. I ran this by the Detroit lawyers that we both know. they feel your walking off would actually lower the chance of malpractice.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:16 PM   #154
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But you also can't win the Sebby-isn't-middle-class argument either. Which we apparently were having for the 80th time.
Missed that argument. I hope the test wasn't strictly economic. Whether a gent's middle or upper class is best determined by his performance and predelictions in the bedroom. Lower-middle class men are always far superior. Upper Middle class -- not so good.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:24 PM   #155
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Does that make them just as powerful as business? 'Cause business can throw around money at election time, and endorse people who can then call their opponents "anti-business."

Come to think of it, I'll bet business has more money to throw around.
What does that have to do with the state of education? Business is not the problem it is the Teacher's Union. You don't see the business lobby blocking testing, or reforms to make it easier to fire teachers.
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you are a special case. I ran this by the Detroit lawyers that we both know. they feel your walking off would actually lower the chance of malpractice.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:27 PM   #157
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That's amazing -- they write their own contracts?

Just last week, they were threatening to go on strike because of the contract they were offered.

So, you're saying that they go out on strike because they don't like the contract that they themselves wrote?
Maybe the contract they wrote before they decided is not good enough? People can always want more money. The fact that these teachers can demand more of anything, when the system is just a wreck is pathetic.
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Why not just stop leaving the food out for the deer and be done with it?
I don't leave any food out for the deer. They eat what naturally grows in the yard.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:31 PM   #159
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You are right.

But you also can't win the Sebby-isn't-middle-class argument either. Which we apparently were having for the 80th time.
I just enjoyed a Quiznos hoagie with extra roast beef, two kinds of cheese and guacamole. You heard me - guacamole.

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Old 02-05-2007, 06:36 PM   #160
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We might as well stop right here. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.



This is a political soundbite, not diagnosis. What is it that you think these evildoers are standing in the way of that provides a bigger impediment than, for example: (1) students with limited English skills (for whome English is not their first language), (2) poverty, (3) family instability. And how does your little paradigm account for the relationship between a lack of school success and the proportion of students that qualify for free or subsidized lunches?
If you don't test students, you engage in social promotion, and you can't fire incompetant teachers it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happens.

In the districts in and around the Bay Area they have started enforcing the exit exam from High School and the first time some districts only had about fifty percent passing rate. They asked for a waiver but did not get one. They also asked that the kids be able to through the ceremony. This was also denied. Now these same students and studying to try and pass the exam. This year the number that passed went up because they want to graduate. Do you have any doubt that the number that passes will increase every year for a few years, and because of that more students will leave the system with a better education?

The Teachers Unions fought the exit exam every step of the way. They are still trying to repeal it. Can you really argue that a High School exit exam is a bad thing. Can you really argue that it won't force kids to learn? What the point of graduating students if they can't read and write?
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Missed that argument. I hope the test wasn't strictly economic. Whether a gent's middle or upper class is best determined by his performance and predelictions in the bedroom. Lower-middle class men are always far superior. Upper Middle class -- not so good.
If I weren't married I'd happily work my rotten attitude, laziness and sense of entitlement out all over your back.
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Maybe the contract they wrote before they decided is not good enough? People can always want more money. The fact that these teachers can demand more of anything, when the system is just a wreck is pathetic.
They're underpaid, and they mold the minds of tomorrow.

What are you trying to figure out? Everybody deserves a Lexus. This is America.
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Old 02-05-2007, 06:39 PM   #163
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So no malpractice issues if I walk off deal because I demanded a 100% fee premium and client refused?
Your hypo is that client refuses to retain you at the rate you asked for and then -- no attorney-client relationship in his mind -- you just started to do the work anyway? If so, no malpractice. But if you agree to act as his attorney for the deal even though he hasn't agreed what to pay you, that's your problem.

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What if doctor mid surgery decides he wants to be paid in cash prior to end of surgery when patient doesnt pay, he walks out of surgery? Professional?
No. But also not analogous to what teachers do when they work without a contract for a period, and then stop.
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the fact is if i visit SF I would consider visiting Chez Spanky (presuming the invite :cross: of course) but I would be really nervous about the wild animals and frankly the potential accusations from the unattended kids.
Come by anytime. Just remember that in the People's Republic of Palo Alto it is illegal to kill anything. If you see a Cougar you can't pull out your standard Detroit carrying piece and shoot it. You simply have to run and hope it doesn't catch you.
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Letter from Congressman Richard Pombo

February 5, 2007

Dear Spanky,

I am honored that former Congressman Richard Pombo has endorsed me. Below is the letter that Congressman Pombo wrote for the Flashreport.

One of the best things about being in politics is the people you meet along the way. During my career there have been those that particularly stand out, at the top of the list is Jalene Forbis.
Jalene has given her all for the Republican Party and its candidates. For the past decade, Jalene has become a familiar face in my campaign headquarters. The funny thing is she doesn’t even live in my district. She is so dedicated to the Party that she helps wherever and whenever she can to advance the goals of Republicans.

I’ve come to know Jalene through the years as someone who is willing to donate her time and resources to elect Republicans. She has always said that since she lives in an area that consistently elects Republicans, she feels it is her duty to help in areas where she can make a difference. I have witnessed this first hand. She has walked precincts for me; she has phoned and walked for Senator Dick Monteith, Assemblyman Guy Houston, Assemblyman Greg Aghazarian, and Assemblyman Alan Nakanishi.

Simply put she knows how, and is willing to do the hard work of politics.

In the upcoming elections at the California Republican Party Convention, Jalene is running for Vice Chairman. At a time when we need people willing to step up to the plate and do the work, we need someone with Jalene’s dedication and willingness to lead through example. She’s worked tirelessly for candidates and elected officials and represents our Party well. She knows that a true leader will never ask someone to do something they haven’t done themselves. Believe me, when it comes to politics and campaigns, she has done it all and is always looking to do more.

I’ve come to know Jalene through the years as a dedicated Board Member, volunteer, and as a friend. I’m proud to endorse Jalene Forbis for CRP Vice Chairman. She is the only candidate I have endorsed for this position and ask for you to support her as well.



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