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Replaced_Texan · 10-21-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Then why not just call it two separate races? Because that's what you're saying it is. One race for the elites and another for everyone else.

But if it is to be considered one race and you slow up because you're beating the small elite field and assume no one else can touch you, you deserve to lose if someone else runs a better race.

This woman ran her best race ever. The question is, would you rather allow everyone within 15 minutes of the slowest elite race time be automatically put in the elite corral, just in case? It's a race. Whoever runs it faster wins. If you ignore the possibility that a sub-standard time will be beaten by a non-elite runner, you should lose. Why should you be rewarded for easing up and taking that risk?

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She also beat her best time ever by 12 minutes. From the article, she seemed like she had no clue that she'd end up running that fast. And if her preconceived notion of elite was 2:40 ish, and she tended to run around 3:10 in the past, it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't sign up for the elite status.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-21-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

She also beat her best time ever by 12 minutes. From the article, she seemed like she had no clue that she'd end up running that fast. And if her preconceived notion of elite was 2:40 ish, and she tended to run around 3:10 in the past, it makes perfect sense that she wouldn't sign up for the elite status.

The women's "B" qualifiying time for the Olympic Trials is 2:47. Her goal was to run sub-3, less than 13 minutes off that qualifying time. She is running a race that has no true elites. Anyone who is that fast should know that she had a chance of placing. Again, I agree that she should be declared the winner, but I also believe that she is partially to blame for being so naive.

If my best time is 2:42 (20 minutes slower than the men's "B" Olympic Time Trial Qualifying time), and I'm running in a non-major marathon, I am calling to ask for elite status.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-21-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I agree that she should be declared the winner, but I also believe that she is partially to blame for being so naive.

If you said above that she should be declared the winner, I missed it -- sorry.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-21-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If you said above that she should be declared the winner, I missed it -- sorry.

I didn't say it (until just then). My point is that I understand the race's reasoning for not declaring her the winner. It's not without merit.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-21-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

I didn't say it (until just then). My point is that I understand the race's reasoning for not declaring her the winner. It's not without merit.

I understand why the race adopted the structure that they adopted. But I expect that it didn't even occur to whomever was looking at the results that s/he should look at the non-elite results, too, and so they simply missed her time. And then, when the mistake was pointed out, they covered their asses instead of admitting a mistake. They didn't want to have to try to get the trophies back from the "winners." I can't believe it wasn't as simple as that. The result is post hoc rationalization.

Hank Chinaski · 10-21-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I understand why the race adopted the structure that they adopted. But I expect that it didn't even occur to whomever was looking at the results that s/he should look at the non-elite results, too, and so they simply missed her time. And then, when the mistake was pointed out, they covered their asses instead of admitting a mistake. They didn't want to have to try to get the trophies back from the "winners." I can't believe it wasn't as simply as that. The result is post hoc rationalization.

most of the real elite races* pay appearance fees, and have people showing up who run for a living. if they gave the first place to someone who didn't really race against the top names, they won't be seeing the top names running there next year.

the woman had an advantage of having a rabbit for her to catch just ahead of her the whole 26 miles, since there was a pack that had started earlier. the elites had to push themselves. the built in motivation of people ahead of you the whole race, and that you can catch is huge.

*as coltrane says that may not apply to this race, but it may well take it's rules from the standards.

greatwhitenorthchick · 10-21-2008, 04:37 PM

I went on one date with this guy two summers ago. Unfortunately, he still has my email address and every time he participates in some charity run/walk thingie, I get an email from him asking me to sponsor him.

Yeah right, I'm going to give my money away to some dweeb whom I didn't even have sex with two summers ago. arghh.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-21-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I went on one date with this guy two summers ago. Unfortunately, he still has my email address and every time he participates in some charity run/walk thingie, I get an email from him asking me to sponsor him.

Yeah right, I'm going to give my money away to some dweeb whom I didn't even have sex with two summers ago. arghh.

change your junk mail settings so that emails from that address go straight to junk.

ltl/fb · 10-21-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

change your junk mail settings so that emails from that address go straight to junk.

What's going on with Adder's dumping of that chick?

taxwonk · 10-21-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I went on one date with this guy two summers ago. Unfortunately, he still has my email address and every time he participates in some charity run/walk thingie, I get an email from him asking me to sponsor him.

Yeah right, I'm going to give my money away to some dweeb whom I didn't even have sex with two summers ago. arghh.

A simple email asking me to remove you from my distribution list would have sufficed.

Bitch.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk

A simple email asking me to remove you from my distribution list would have sufficed.

Bitch.

Please. If you participated in a single charity run, that would be the end of the emails.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-21-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ltl/fb

What's going on with Adder's dumping of that chick?

He will after the next booty call.

ltl/fb · 10-21-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

He will after the next booty call.

Is that going to be a recurring answer? Sigh. He could at least agonize about it for our amusement.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-21-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ltl/fb

Is that going to be a recurring answer? Sigh. He could at least agonize about it for our amusement.

Of course it will--the description has friend with benefits written all over it, with the added downside of its being a coworker. Adder needs to find himself a new love interest at least for the short term to extract himself from the situation.

pernsky no account · 10-21-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

I went on one date with this guy two summers ago. Unfortunately, he still has my email address and every time he participates in some charity run/walk thingie, I get an email from him asking me to sponsor him.

Yeah right, I'm going to give my money away to some dweeb whom I didn't even have sex with two summers ago. arghh.

Is it tax deductable? If so, that's better then the sex!

eta: if all the gals who didn't given it up for me, also resulted in tax deductions years down the road, I'd be wealthy enough to retire from the hellholle of law.