Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Good analogy. You'll note that even today, there's no prohibition on a spouse psychologically tormenting the other spouse. The law draws the appropriate line: Not our problem until it involves physical violence.

Once again, you are living in your own world. Stalking, and more specifically, cyberstalking are crimes.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Bullying is a similar phenomenon. Attack someone, risk criminal charges. Abuse someone verbally, risk being ostracized (in a properly working society, community, or school). If a community is so broken that its bullies aren't socially punished for their behavior, that's not an issue for law enforcement, but for a town hall meeting in which someone asks, "What the fuck is the matter with us?"

This is just plain stupid. In a community where bullies aren't socially punished, the reason why that is so is because the community is broken (and therefore won't hold the ridiculous town hall meeting you just mentioned). If the community loves football and football players are bullying people, there needs to be recourse for people that doesn't rely on the fucking community's collective social cues.

I don't even know why you're arguing so strongly on this one. It seems like such a moronic stance to take.

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Is the secret service still harrassing you about that? I told them you were just joking, and that I didn't know anything about a purported gun collection.

Dear Sebastian,

GGG has provided you a hint about one such set of laws. There are others. I will accept your public apology, before the collected internet forum, in the following format:

Dear Flower:

You were right and I was wrong. For that I apologize.

Sincerely,

Sebastian

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I don't know about you, but in my high school, way-back-when, I don't recall any of the gay kids being picked on. That would've been considered the ultimate in "dick moves" that would have branded one a social pariah.

Ah yes. The famous Sebby world in which gays weren't harrassed, there was no racism, and everyone just sat around knocking over beer bottles with their dicks.

Kids probably hid their homosexual tendencies when you were in high school. And you probably ignored the things going on around you (like you seem to do today).

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If you're telling me that a majority of kids today think picking on a kid because he's gay is alright, or that they'd turn their head the other way when someone did it, I'm calling bullshit.

Another dumbass statement. It's not about the majority thinking it's okay. It's about them not doing anything about it when it happens. It's about the powerful victimizing the weak and the weak having no real recourse. Jesus fucking Christ.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The media promotes outlier instances of intolerance. They are not the rule. And they certainly aren't a basis for legislative changes.

I see. You're reading from the Republican playbook. Legislation is the problem! Laws destroy the economy! There isn't a problem because this is just the media!

This is a pointless conversation.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

And if you don't drop this sincere act, I'll lead a charge to bully you out of here like we did ppnyc- fuck, we already have Notbob, we don't need your thoughtful input.

ppnyc wasn't bullied out of here. She was a liar and a truly awful person who got called out on both of those things and couldn't take it.

TM

eta: She was bullied (and I surely bullied her because she was dumb for a brick), but that isn't the reason why she left. She loved the attention the bullying brought her. She left because of the things I said above.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Dear Sebastian,

GGG has provided you a hint about one such set of laws. There are others. [/I]

I know, but I didn't think you'd like them to hear about the underage pictures thing. I mean, the I.D. from her middle school said she was an adult, right?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Ah yes. The famous Sebby world in which gays weren't harrassed, there was no racism, and everyone just sat around knocking over beer bottles with their dicks.

In Sebastian's defense, if I were to reimagine my past into a fictional but more idyllic world, it would be exactly as you describe above.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

ppnyc wasn't bullied out of here. She was a liar and a truly awful person who got called out on both of those things and couldn't take it.

TM

eta: She was bullied (and I surely bullied her because she was dumb for a brick), but that isn't the reason why she left. She loved the attention the bullying brought her. She left because of the things I said above.

actually we ignored her out of here. bullying brought her back- calling her out on her shit didn't bother her.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

actually we ignored her out of here. bullying brought her back- calling her out on her shit didn't bother her.

You are partly correct, but may not be privvy to all of it.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are partly correct, but may not privvy to all of it.

TM

And fwiw she deserved all of the bullying and then some

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

1. Public apology by the bully, to the collected student body.

2. Not the school's business. Off property is off property.

3. Send letter to "victim":

"Dear Victim,

Upon review of the incident, it appears you and the alleged bully have been engaged in an ongoing battle of slurs. No punitive action will be taken at this time. If this continues on school property or during school events, you may both be subjected to [insert punishment here].

Caveat emptor,
The Administration

cc: Bully; Both sets of students' parents"

One of the reasons I send my kid to private school is the administration's belief that "off campus behavior" isn't any less subject to discipline than "on campus behavior".

The school has a zero tolerance policy on internet bullying, and I've seen it enforced. And last year, when my kid was the subject of a hate instagram account (I can't even believe there is such a thing, or that it happened to a 10 year old), the school was front and center in dealing with it.

Well, that, and I hate poor people.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You are partly correct, but may not privvy to all of it.

TM

Now I'm laughing just thinking about it all...

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen

Now I'm laughing just thinking about it all...

B&b "meanest post ever!"

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen

a hate instagram account (I can't even believe there is such a thing, or that it happened to a 10 year old),

If Instagram was around when ppnyc was, I'll bet Thurgreed would have had one.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

No, there are many laws that currently exist that prevent "people from saying whatever they like to others on things like Facebook."

Which work great for private causes of action by the victim, just as well as any tort law.

Does Tinker apply to off-campus speech? Some federal judges say yes, others say no. The Supreme Court ducked the issue in Bong-Hitz-4-Jesus. What does Flower say?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Once again, you are living in your own world. Stalking, and more specifically, cyberstalking are crimes.
TM

No, no. You're wrong. Years ago, when I was a crim-def lawyer, I did an appeal where husband was convicted of stalking his wife. He never laid a hand on her, but he scared the shit out of her, banging on the door and screaming and so forth.

I got the conviction reversed, on the grounds that it couldn't be a crime if he hadn't physically assaulted her. Or, in Sebby-land, I would have.