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Old 06-18-2014, 03:29 PM   #1696
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The only thing more tedious than soccer fans trying to explain why Americans should like soccer ("hey, man, it's the most popular sport in the world!") is people who hate soccer and talk about it as if anyone else should give a shit.
translation: I got cut from basketball tryouts in 8th grade
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:52 PM   #1697
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The only thing more tedious than soccer fans trying to explain why Americans should like soccer ("hey, man, it's the most popular sport in the world!") is people who hate soccer and talk about it as if anyone else should give a shit.
It's the most popular sport in the world because all those other countries don't have interesting sports.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:21 PM   #1698
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I.e., what Burger said.
No, Burger spelled Adiaga wrong. Kills the joke.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:44 PM   #1699
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The only thing more tedious than soccer fans trying to explain why Americans should like soccer ("hey, man, it's the most popular sport in the world!") is people who hate soccer and talk about it as if anyone else should give a shit.
Here's my question:

If a hand ball in the penalty box is an automatic penalty kick, why not consistently aim for defenders' hands and arms? Seems like they wouldn't really be ready for it and if you're a foot away from another player (with the control over the ball these guys have), it seems like it would be easier to accomplish than getting the ball by everyone in the way for a goal.

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Old 06-18-2014, 04:50 PM   #1700
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No, Burger spelled Adiaga wrong. Kills the joke.
I'll let Hank rule on whether this is Whiff or Whiff II, but apparently the website from which you cut and paste the dialogue does not understand the rolled r of Spanish names. (Or that the "Man" barbecuing the ball is Hank Williams Jr.)

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Old 06-18-2014, 04:50 PM   #1701
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My answer:

At game speed, in the box, with people moving in every direction, it is hard enough to get the ball in the giant goalmouth, much less trying to hit someone in the arm. And the refs just aren't going to award a penalty kick, in most instances, if the arm was tight to the body. Unless the betting line is in their favor.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:51 PM   #1702
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Here's my question:

If a hand ball in the penalty box is an automatic penalty kick, why not consistently aim for defenders' hands and arms? Seems like they wouldn't really be ready for it and if you're a foot away from another player (with the control over the ball these guys have), it seems like it would be easier to accomplish than getting the ball by everyone in the way for a goal.

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If their arms are close to the body it's not supposed to be called a handball.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:54 PM   #1703
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That's why the last two games in each group are played simultaneously.
I had no idea why they did that. Or why it would matter to Germany if they already have 6 points in the scenario I posited whether they win or tie.
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Spain loses. Adios.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:01 PM   #1705
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Here's my question:

If a hand ball in the penalty box is an automatic penalty kick, why not consistently aim for defenders' hands and arms? Seems like they wouldn't really be ready for it and if you're a foot away from another player (with the control over the ball these guys have), it seems like it would be easier to accomplish than getting the ball by everyone in the way for a goal.

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FIFA rules say:

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A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player ... handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
The guidelines for referees further (hi TM!) say:

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Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with
the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into
consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an
infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)
counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an
infringement
So there is discretion for the ref to decline to call a handball, even in the box.
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My answer:

At game speed, in the box, with people moving in every direction, it is hard enough to get the ball in the giant goalmouth, much less trying to hit someone in the arm. And the refs just aren't going to award a penalty kick, in most instances, if the arm was tight to the body. Unless the betting line is in their favor.
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If their arms are close to the body it's not supposed to be called a handball.
Their arms are rarely close to their bodies. And these guys can put the ball almost anywhere, especially within really close range. It just seems like something I would try to do in a really close game. Although, I suppose it's not feasible or they'd try it, given the fact that 80% of players would rather throw themselves on the ground if a defender is within 10 feet than actually try to score.

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So there is discretion for the ref to decline to call a handball, even in the box.
This, plus this:

"the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)"

explains it best, because one of the penalty kicks I saw recently was the result of a hand ball that was clearly unintentional. I don't think the guy had a chance to avoid it at all.

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Old 06-18-2014, 05:10 PM   #1708
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Their arms are rarely close to their bodies. And these guys can put the ball almost anywhere, especially within really close range. It just seems like something I would try to do in a really close game. Although, I suppose it's not feasible or they'd try it, given the fact that 80% of players would rather throw themselves on the ground if a defender is within 10 feet than actually try to score.

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I think it is the deliberate act requirement that makes it pointless to try. From my kid's soccer experience it is the second most likely rule to cause newber parents to argue with the ref:

Ref (who tends to be a young teen): No it isn't a hand ball. He didn't intend for it happen.

Parent: Geez, can't they find anyone who understands the game- his hand tocuhed the ball.
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This, plus this:

"the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)"

explains it best, because one of the penalty kicks I saw recently was the result of a hand ball that was clearly unintentional. I don't think the guy had a chance to avoid it at all.

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Old 06-18-2014, 05:16 PM   #1710
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This, plus this:

"the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)"

explains it best, because one of the penalty kicks I saw recently was the result of a hand ball that was clearly unintentional. I don't think the guy had a chance to avoid it at all.

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I agree that the referees seem overly strict about calling handballs in the penalty area. It is almost as bad as the calling of offensive fouls for merely getting in front of a player driving to the basket.
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