Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Hey Sebby, here's one of the most recent news stories my cousin has posted on Facebook:

With FEMA DHS And 386,000 Foreign Troops on U.S. Soil Will Obama Declare Martial Law in December?

I'm not sure telling him to STFU is going to help -- what do you think?

Apples and oranges. He's generally out to fucking lunch. There is no way to respond to broadsides of lunacy including myriad delusions. I'm talking about whites you can pin down on single issues... the sort who'd assert Blacks aren't victimized in the justice system. You can tell them to STFU on that discrete point, and back your position concisely with facts, and this:

"I've worked in the Court system for ___ years. I have seen this first hand. Your facts are anything but. Stop talking out of your ass."

This is particularly persuasive when it comes from someone who is not perceived as a liberal. And it's actually kind of amusing. I sit and listen to Republicans talk their "I'm a free market capitalist, and a fiscal conservative" stuff, and though it's usually bullshit, I'll go along. And if pressed, I'll accede that I do not believe I owe anyone anything. But then those Republicans will always go too far, by saying something like:

"People on welfare all want to be there, on the dole," or,

"The Blacks can't follow rules and get themselves into these situations with cops... It's their fault."

That's where you have to check them. And they get pissy. But most of them have never seen the crim justice system, so when you say, "Listen dude, I did a few years in that system, and you're talking shit," they have nothing to say. Do that. It's not great for your social standing among Republican friends, but it's good for society.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

as to UVa http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...aders-20141205

I think this story broke Twitter.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

as to UVa http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...aders-20141205

Interesting that you replied to a Cosby post with a UVa post.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

What about the guys who sign the FB petition to promise not to vote for him ever again. At first I thought some Onion-esque person started it to show how dumb the average tea-partier is, but then I realized there are mounting a campaign, for real, to defeat him at the polls when he runs for that third term.

Look up "US Government" and "30,000 guillotines."

Yes, that's right. Somewhere, probably not far from your present position, sits someone so profoundly fucked in the head... so absolutely batshit crazy, riddled with fetal alcohol syndrome, generations of inbreeding, or massive lead paint exposure, or whatever else causes such levels of baffling imbecility, that he believes Uncle Sam owns warehouses of guillotines. And plans to use them on "Patriots."

...No doubt all manufactured by the International Guillotine Corporation, PLC, of Trans-Dniester - a joint venture of Soros Holdings, ACORN, and the Rothschilds.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Hey Sebby, here's one of the most recent news stories my cousin has posted on Facebook:

With FEMA DHS And 386,000 Foreign Troops on U.S. Soil Will Obama Declare Martial Law in December?

I'm not sure telling him to STFU is going to help -- what do you think?

I can only imagine what viruses lurk on that site. Please, take care with your links.

On articles like that, you really need to read the comments. I especially enjoyed the debate over whether calling the President "King" or "Emperor" conflicted with the undeniable facts that he is a communist. So hard to keep these things straight.

Sensei Greedy Bey

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Interesting that you replied to a Cosby post with a UVa post.

I just looked for the last time someone mentioned rape. I wasn't commenting on Bill Cosby, or rape even. Just posting a news item.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

It's not white people who were or are crazy. It's People with Power and Control ("PPC") who are crazy, regardless of race. Humans. White humans. Black humans. Brown humans. Humans have historically and consistently been assholes to people who are different from them since the beginning of recorded history. PPC, regardless of their race or religion, have been enslaving other people, treating other people like shit, and have been overtly prejudiced against other people who looked different and who did not have power and control for thousands of years.

As for five hundred years or so in this country those people have been white, exactly what is the point of making this distinction?

If Africa instead of Europe gained economic power and control in the last two thousand years, I'm pretty sure the situation would be identical but reversed.

Maybe, but so what? We should all transport ourselves to this alternate world and tell the evil black people to be less evil?

It's only in last 100 years or so when humans have (kinda-sorta) stopped being colossal dicks to each other.

And some groups of humans still have a long way to go on that front.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The only right conceded by forcing prosecutors into prelims rather than using GJs is privacy.

No, you're also losing the slim possibility that the grand jury will not indict.

Obviously, that probability is very slim when the prosecutor wants to indict, but it's not actually zero.

I doubt any sane person would give a shit about embarrassment if the process decreased the likelihood of dubious charges being brought against him.

Here's where you lose me. How does it decrease the likelihood of dubious charges? Your way, the prosecutor just files the charge.

As is, the prosecutor has to get a grand jury to agree first.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

One last rant on this topic...

Another thing we have to do is decouple discussions of racial tensions and the murder of Black youths from politics. Too often, conservatives, Republicans, and even libertarians fail to criticize things like the Garner incident because they assume that's a liberal or Democratic cause. That's twisted thinking.

They do it because it works for them politically.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

It's not white people who were or are crazy. It's People with Power and Control ("PPC") who are crazy, regardless of race. Humans. White humans. Black humans. Brown humans. Humans have historically and consistently been assholes to people who are different from them since the beginning of recorded history. PPC, regardless of their race or religion, have been enslaving other people, treating other people like shit, and have been overtly prejudiced against other people who looked different and who did not have power and control for thousands of years. White people have done it to black people. Black people have done it to white people. White people have done it to other white people, and black people have done it to other black people. If Africa instead of Europe gained economic power and control in the last two thousand years, I'm pretty sure the situation would be identical but reversed.

It's only in last 100 years or so when humans have (kinda-sorta) stopped being colossal dicks to each other.

I thought about this. It has some appeal. It would be nice to think White People aren't just deficient as a group.

But, really, isn't all evidence to the contrary? I mean, White People have sucked for thousands of years, what makes you think it's not just the way things are and fully inborn?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Maybe, but so what? We should all transport ourselves to this alternate world and tell the evil black people to be less evil?

So in your mind Africa has been devoid* of Genocide?

*does devoid imply something that is positive?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by Adder

No, you're also losing the slim possibility that the grand jury will not indict.

Obviously, that probability is very slim when the prosecutor wants to indict, but it's not actually zero.



Here's where you lose me. How does it decrease the likelihood of dubious charges? Your way, the prosecutor just files the charge.

As is, the prosecutor has to get a grand jury to agree first.

I understand the theory of the grand jury, but in practice does it give any protection to defendants? Other than, of course, police who kill black people, who are inherently dangerous? I wonder if we'd be better off with judges making that call.

As the saying goes, the grand jury will indict a ham sandwich.

It just won't indict a pig.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch

I understand the theory of the grand jury, but in practice does it give any protection to defendants?

A wee, tiny amount, I guess. When I served on a grand jury, it rejected one charge, to my recollection (irrationally, but you know).

Other than, of course, police who kill black people, who are inherently dangerous?

I think its worthwhile to question whether the danger of prosecutors using a grand jury to shield cops is worth the miniscule measure of protection.

I wonder if we'd be better off with judges making that call.

Is there a reason other than tradition why judges couldn't make the call in secret?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I thought about this. It has some appeal. It would be nice to think White People aren't just deficient as a group.

But, really, isn't all evidence to the contrary? I mean, White People have sucked for thousands of years, what makes you think it's not just the way things are and fully inborn?

if you really believe this you should off yourself to rid the world of one white person. but here is one white person who seems to be a dick https://theweek.com/article/index/27...ot-be-pardoned

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

if you really believe this you should off yourself to rid the world of one white person. but here is one white person who seems to be a dick https://theweek.com/article/index/27...ot-be-pardoned

Marc Ambinder or Mark Wahlberg?