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12-05-2014, 05:51 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Marc Ambinder or Mark Wahlberg?
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Both maybe? I forgot, we cannot defame anyone from Boston.
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12-05-2014, 06:23 PM
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Re: Yeah.
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Is there a reason other than tradition why judges couldn't make the call in secret?
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I don't think that judges can decide to keep a proceeding, especially a criminal proceeding, secret. (And more and more they are realizing, especially in the federal courts, that they can't be so loose about letting parties in civil cases keep stuff secret.) There would have to be a statute mandating that the proceedings are kept secret.
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12-05-2014, 06:24 PM
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Re: Yeah.
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A wee, tiny amount, I guess.
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A defendant has a much better chance of avoiding charges at a prelim.
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Is there a reason other than tradition why judges couldn't make the call in secret?
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A private prelim would be a good idea. If judges started throwing out leverage charges at that stage, however, prosecutors would bitch and whine to no end, as this would remove their ability to wildly overcharge and scare defendants into pleas.
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12-05-2014, 06:29 PM
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Re: Yeah.
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Here's where you lose me. How does it decrease the likelihood of dubious charges? Your way, the prosecutor just files the charge.
As is, the prosecutor has to get a grand jury to agree first.
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Poor phrasing on my part. It decreases the chance dubious charges would be sustained. The defense could knock out bullshit charges or entirely bad cases early.
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12-05-2014, 06:44 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
Both maybe? I forgot, we cannot defame anyone from Boston.
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I don't really have a view about whether Mark Wahlberg is a good guy or deserves a pardon. I didn't know anything about what he did before I read that. But what Ambinder said didn't really help me come to an opinion. Does he think anyone should ever be pardoned? Does he think that someone who wasn't famous who did what Wahlberg did should be pardoned, but Wahlberg shouldn't because he's famous? Does he think that someone else wouldn't have the chance to ask for a pardon? That's implied, but he doesn't make the case at all. It seems like he's only writing about the issue because of Wahlberg's fame, while simultaneously complaining that Wahlberg is being treated differently because of who he is.
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12-05-2014, 06:49 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's implied, but he doesn't make the case at all. It seems like he's only writing about the issue because of Wahlberg's fame, while simultaneously complaining that Wahlberg is being treated differently because of who he is.
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I'm sorry, you think Wahlberg, as a factory worker, would be doing this? He, with the conviction, is a role model. One can fuck up young and still turn it around.
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12-05-2014, 06:56 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm sorry, you don't think Wahlberg, as a factory worker, would be doing this? He, with the conviction, is a role model. One can fuck up young and still it around.
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There are people I know who are not movie stars and who have fucked up young and turned their lives around. Do you think they can't get pardoned? If so, perhaps you're right, but Ambinder didn't make the case.
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12-05-2014, 07:04 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
There are people I know who are not movie stars and who have fucked up young and turned their lives around. Do you think they can't get pardoned? If so, perhaps you're right, but Ambinder didn't make the case.
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As a broke 20 year old I tried to steal a 12 pack of beer from a 7-11. The clerk tried to stop me but I pushed him away. I was never arrested, but if I had I wouldn't expect a pardon.
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12-05-2014, 07:11 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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As a broke 20 year old I tried to steal a 12 pack of beer from a 7-11. The clerk tried to stop me but I pushed him away. I was never arrested, but if I had I wouldn't expect a pardon.
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Why not? Do you think a pardon is only for cases where someone was wrongly convicted? I think it's for more than that.
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12-05-2014, 07:24 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Why not? Do you think a pardon is only for cases where someone was wrongly convicted? I think it's for more than that.
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Forgot. You approved of Clinton.
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12-05-2014, 07:26 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
done
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Last edited by Hank Chinaski; 12-06-2014 at 09:08 AM..
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12-05-2014, 07:29 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Forgot. You approved of Clinton.
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Trolling. Try again.
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12-05-2014, 07:29 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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I don't normally reply to the same post twice, but FYI, i was trying to make clear stealing from a store and then pushing a clerk does not make one an irredeemable thug. most of the white people that post here look up to me FYI.
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Thank you for trying again, but you're still not really responding to anything I'm saying.
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12-05-2014, 07:50 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
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Thank you for trying again, but you're still not really responding to anything I'm saying.
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Hold your computer up to the mirror and read what you just wrote. You are the one responding. I'm the OP.
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12-05-2014, 07:59 PM
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Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
done
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Last edited by Hank Chinaski; 12-06-2014 at 09:08 AM..
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