Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Totally classic. Santorum finds the Pope tough to listen to. Yeah, so was Christ you bozo.

I have traditionalist Catholic friends and family who are feverishly praying for this infallible Vicar of Christ to find Jesus. Or re-find him. Whatever. It’s hard to restrain myself from noting this is how many of us felt about Benedict, but there are people calling for schism and re-consecrating the papa-in-exile. It’s Avignon all over again. {munches popcorn}

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I have traditionalist Catholic friends and family who are feverishly praying for this infallible Vicar of Christ to find Jesus. Or re-find him. Whatever. It’s hard to restrain myself from noting this is how many of us felt about Benedict, but there are people calling for schism and re-consecrating the papa-in-exile. It’s Avignon all over again. {munches popcorn}

I thought he was infallible?

Also, sounds to me like ol' frothy-lube as some confessing to do with all the pridefulness going on with his pope-doubting.

What's that? I'm not a Catholic and have no idea what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Carry on.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Adder

I thought he was infallible?

Also, sounds to me like ol' frothy-lube as some confessing to do with all the pridefulness going on with his pope-doubting.

What's that? I'm not a Catholic and have no idea what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Carry on.

Earnest answer to facetious question: he’s only protected from error when he speaks on particular topics, in particular ways. If he doesn’t say the magic words, “This teaching must be held by the whole church,” it’s just an opinion and can be disputed. So Santorum is right that press conference statements are not infallible. Ask GGG for details; for non-Catholics the best understanding is essentially that the Pope has declared further philosophical disputations about an issue to be unproductive. It’s a way of the presiding officer of a giant ongoing meeting to say “Moving on . . .”

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Earnest answer to facetious question: he’s only protected from error when he speaks on particular topics, in particular ways. If he doesn’t say the magic words, “This teaching must be held by the whole church,” it’s just an opinion and can be disputed. So Santorum is right that press conference statements are not infallible. Ask GGG for details; for non-Catholics the best understanding is essentially that the Pope has declared further philosophical disputations about an issue to be unproductive. It’s a way of the presiding officer of a giant ongoing meeting to say “Moving on . . .”

Here is a decent summary: the only clear statement made by a pope under the papal infallibility doctrine is the assumption of Mary. Other top candidates are the immaculate conception of Mary and the promulgation of the doctrine of infallibility itself. The whole concept may have been a way of trying to say "no mas" to disputes between the Pope and Vatican and Ecumenical Councils, but it's actually proven more useful to continue to call Councils and its a power no Pope really wants to use. And the doctrine of the infallibility of Ecumenical Councils has not died. There is a third concept of infallibility to consider, too, the idea that of infallibility of the Church.

But Santorum doesn't get to just say "I CAN'T HEAR YOU" when the Pope says something he doesn't like.

Did I mention that I love this Pope?

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I have traditionalist Catholic friends and family who are feverishly praying for this infallible Vicar of Christ to find Jesus. Or re-find him. Whatever. It’s hard to restrain myself from noting this is how many of us felt about Benedict, but there are people calling for schism and re-consecrating the papa-in-exile. It’s Avignon all over again. {munches popcorn}

He is tough bastard. He's fired a couple of cardinals who didn't fall in line. I'll put $5 on Frank.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Earnest answer to facetious question: he’s only protected from error when he speaks on particular topics, in particular ways. If he doesn’t say the magic words, “This teaching must be held by the whole church,” it’s just an opinion and can be disputed. So Santorum is right that press conference statements are not infallible. Ask GGG for details; for non-Catholics the best understanding is essentially that the Pope has declared further philosophical disputations about an issue to be unproductive. It’s a way of the presiding officer of a giant ongoing meeting to say “Moving on . . .”

Sounds simple as the difference in precedential value of a Chief Counsel Advice and a Revenue Ruling.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I have traditionalist Catholic friends and family who are feverishly praying for this infallible Vicar of Christ to find Jesus. Or re-find him. Whatever. It’s hard to restrain myself from noting this is how many of us felt about Benedict, but there are people calling for schism and re-consecrating the papa-in-exile. It’s Avignon all over again. {munches popcorn}

Francis reminds the pricks who like the judgmental side of Catholicism they're not really Catholics (more like fundamentalist Protestants). This gets their rosaries in a twist.

If nothing else, Francis's infuriating Bill Donahue, head of the Catholic League and a monstrous embarrassment to the Irish everywhere, gets this vicar my vote for sainthood.

Best Pope ever.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Did I mention that I love this Pope?

Holy Shit. We're in absolute agreement on a matter of religion!

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Did I mention that I love this Pope?

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Holy Shit. We're in absolute agreement on a matter of religion!

Which tells me the traditionalist RC faction may have a point. {munches popcorn}

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Which tells me the traditionalist RC faction may have a point. {munches popcorn}

actually politically minded people should be working out the campaign for my New Yorker thing, yes?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

As am I.

Some one may say of me, that I have here only made a nosegay of other men’s flowers, having furnished nothing of my own but the thread to tie them.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Some one may say of me, that I have here only made a nosegay of other men’s flowers, having furnished nothing of my own but the thread to tie them.

Isn't that how memes get borned?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Holy Shit. We're in absolute agreement on a matter of religion!

I suspect we'd generally agree on people we like and dislike. Like: kindly old men who do not suffer fools (Pope, Dalai Lama). Dislike: fundies of all stripes (el Baghdadi, Pat Robertson). About the only one we're likely to disagree on as an individual is my old pal Huckabee, whom I suspect you find to be a bit of a tool.

It's just when we come to religious thinking that you get all irrational.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Hank, if I visit Detroit sometime, do you think we could go by one of those
No-Go Zones in Dearborn?