A Friendly Correction for those Man-Haters who Delve to be Single

[ThurgreedMarshall]

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/lists...ckson-20150211

Discuss.

Molly Shannon is way too low. Chris Rock and Adam Sandler are way too high. Rachel Dratch was absolutely terrible, so her ranking is a joke.

Hartman could (and maybe should) be #1. I can't believe they put him at #7. As you all know, Eddie Murphy is my #1. No one had as many fantastic sketches as he did. But can't argue with Belushi getting it since he probably set the tone for the entire franchise.

Other than that, not much argument. Maybe because the above critique is the absolute maximum amount I could possibly care.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/lists...ckson-20150211

Discuss.

Molly Shannon is way too low. Chris Rock and Adam Sandler are way too high. Rachel Dratch was absolutely terrible, so her ranking is a joke.

Hartman could (and maybe should) be #1. I can't believe they put him at #7. As you all know, Eddie Murphy is my #1. No one had as many fantastic sketches as he did. But can't argue with Belushi getting it since he probably set the tone for the entire franchise.

Other than that, not much argument. Maybe because the above critique is the absolute maximum amount I could possibly care.

TM

Mike Myers did Sprockets and Wayne's World - that's it, right? I'd put Farley above him. And Ferrell (who I think is Top 5). Some people don't like Ferrell's movies, but he crushed it on SNL: Harry Carey, Get Off The Shed!, Cowbell, Dodge Stratus, the Welshly Arms Hotel, Gus Chiggins, Janet Reno, Robert Goulet, Trebek, James Lipton, etc. He should be top 5.

Also, Step Brothers is Will's best movie.

It's ridiculous how funny Eddie Murphy was on SNL. He and Chevy have fallen so far (from a comedy standpoint).

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Mike Myers did Sprockets and Wayne's World - that's it, right? I'd put Farley above him. And Ferrell (who I think is Top 5). Some people don't like Ferrell's movies, but he crushed it on SNL: Harry Carey, Get Off The Shed!, Cowbell, Dodge Stratus, the Welshly Arms Hotel, Gus Chiggins, Janet Reno, Robert Goulet, Trebek, James Lipton, etc. He should be top 5.

Also, Step Brothers is Will's best movie.

It's ridiculous how funny Eddie Murphy was on SNL. He and Chevy have fallen so far (from a comedy standpoint).

Farley and Ferrell should move up. I can buy that. Myers was very funny on SNL (he also did coffee tawk) and was really funny even in the skits that he's not known for.

Murphy is actually still really funny. I saw him do an interview with Leno (I think) a few years back and he was absolutely hilarious, just off the cuff. But he's become a victim of his success, like DeNiro, Walken, Pacino, Jim Carey, etc. They just become caricatures of themselves and do the same stupid shit in everything they're in for huge, huge checks. If he had any balls, he would go back to stand up and just do small shows. He doesn't need any more money. Go have fun.

TM

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Farley and Ferrell should move up. I can buy that. Myers was very funny on SNL (he also did coffee tawk) and was really funny even in the skits that he's not known for.

Murphy is actually still really funny. I saw him do an interview with Leno (I think) a few years back and he was absolutely hilarious, just off the cuff. But he's become a victim of his success, like DeNiro, Walken, Pacino, Jim Carey, etc. They just become caricatures of themselves and do the same stupid shit in everything they're in for huge, huge checks. If he had any balls, he would go back to stand up and just do small shows. He doesn't need any more money. Go have fun.

TM

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Murphy comes across on the anniversary show.

And I'm no fan, but is Norm McDonald really the 4th-worst cast member ever?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Murphy comes across on the anniversary show.

And I'm no fan, but is Norm McDonald really the 4th-worst cast member ever?

No way. He was good on Weekend Update, as Letterman, Burt Reynolds, and Bob Dole.

ETA: He's also great in Billy Madison.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Farley and Ferrell should move up. I can buy that. Myers was very funny on SNL (he also did coffee tawk) and was really funny even in the skits that he's not known for.

Murphy is actually still really funny. I saw him do an interview with Leno (I think) a few years back and he was absolutely hilarious, just off the cuff. But he's become a victim of his success, like DeNiro, Walken, Pacino, Jim Carey, etc. They just become caricatures of themselves and do the same stupid shit in everything they're in for huge, huge checks. If he had any balls, he would go back to stand up and just do small shows. He doesn't need any more money. Go have fun.

TM

Agree on most of this (victims of success), except for Walken. I think his caricature is the result of other people - not him. I think his caricatureness began when impressions by Jay Mohr and Kevin Spacey became ubiquitous.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Agree on most of this (victims of success), except for Walken. I think his caricature is the result of other people - not him. I think his caricatureness began when impressions by Jay Mohr and Kevin Spacey became ubiquitous.

Don't get me wrong. I love Walken. But he's really just doing the same thing over and over and over again.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Don't get me wrong. I love Walken. But he's really just doing the same thing over and over and over again.

TM

Isn't it just the way he talks - the cadence? Here he is in Annie Hall (almost 40 years ago):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSRm_X3BLPU

Or are you saying that his cadence is essentially his schtick?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/lists...ckson-20150211

Discuss.

Molly Shannon is way too low. Chris Rock and Adam Sandler are way too high. Rachel Dratch was absolutely terrible, so her ranking is a joke.

Hartman could (and maybe should) be #1. I can't believe they put him at #7. As you all know, Eddie Murphy is my #1. No one had as many fantastic sketches as he did. But can't argue with Belushi getting it since he probably set the tone for the entire franchise.

Other than that, not much argument. Maybe because the above critique is the absolute maximum amount I could possibly care.

Ackroyd is overrated in the extreme. Everything funny that Dan Ackroyd has ever done was funny in spite of, not because of, his performance. “Trading Places” is the only exception. But I defy you to note any difference in his characterization of Raymond Stantz, Joe Friday, Elwood Blues and Beldar Conehead. It’s basically all Beldar Conehead without prosthetics. How many times must we see him rattle off lines in a terse, monotonous faux-cerebral way? He plays everything like a dumb person’s idea of a smart person.

I’m personally happy to see Tina Fey so highly ranked, but everyone who went to U.Va. in the early '90s (as Rob Sheffield did) has a blind spot about her. I doubt other authors would rank her above anyone in the original NRFPTP.

And fuck that article for telling me that blonde was Phil Hartman’s wife. And, always and forever, double-fuck Phil Hartman’s wife.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Murphy comes across on the anniversary show.

And I'm no fan, but is Norm McDonald really the 4th-worst cast member ever?

Norm's movie Dirty Work bombed. He was on Howard talking about it- "the budget was 60 million, we hardly made anything. If you have 60 million why risk it, wouldn't you just keep it?"

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Everything funny that Dan Ackroyd has ever done was funny in spite of, not because of, his performance.

The writing for SNL was so variable that you have to think hard about the bits that worked because of the concept and the bits that worked because of the players -- e.g., Amy Poehler here. Phil Hartman pushed a lot of things into the second category.

And fuck that article for telling me that blonde was Phil Hartman’s wife. And, always and forever, double-fuck Phil Hartman’s wife.

Sigh.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Or are you saying that his cadence is essentially his schtick?

Yes. Apparently he just has all punctuation removed from his scripts and goes from there.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Ackroyd is overrated in the extreme. Everything funny that Dan Ackroyd has ever done was funny in spite of, not because of, his performance. “Trading Places” is the only exception. But I defy you to note any difference in his characterization of Raymond Stantz, Joe Friday, Elwood Blues and Beldar Conehead. It’s basically all Beldar Conehead without prosthetics. How many times must we see him rattle off lines in a terse, monotonous faux-cerebral way? He plays everything like a dumb person’s idea of a smart person.

Blues Brothers, Ghostbusters, and Spies Like Us (a terribly underrated movie). He may have played the same guy often, but he had a great run. Hell, I even watched Doctor Detroit all the way through at some point last year, and that movie was atrocious.

If the only thing he ever did was Trading Places, he should be able to retire rich, fat, and happy with our undying gratitude.

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

And fuck that article for telling me that blonde was Phil Hartman’s wife. And, always and forever, double-fuck Phil Hartman’s wife.

Yez.

TM

[Sidd Finch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/lists...ckson-20150211

Discuss.

Molly Shannon is way too low. Chris Rock and Adam Sandler are way too high. Rachel Dratch was absolutely terrible, so her ranking is a joke.

Hartman could (and maybe should) be #1. I can't believe they put him at #7. As you all know, Eddie Murphy is my #1. No one had as many fantastic sketches as he did. But can't argue with Belushi getting it since he probably set the tone for the entire franchise.

Other than that, not much argument. Maybe because the above critique is the absolute maximum amount I could possibly care.

TM

I clicked the link, saw that it starts at like #143, and decided I had better ways to waste my time.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Hell, I even watched Doctor Detroit all the way through at some point last year, and that movie was atrocious.

“Doctor Detroit” holds the dubious distinction of being the THIRD-best movie of the 1980s about accidentally becoming a pimp.