No Faith in the Moral Standards of the Players as a Group

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Your SO stops confiding in you and has nothing but intimate conversations with a man who's much better looking than you...

That's where you lose me.

can't wait to see him, thinks about him all the time, and that's all just a symptom of where your sole focus--the underlying communication issues between you and her--should be?

Yup. I can't do anything about how she feels about someone else. If there's something I/we need to fix, then okay, let's work on that. Jealousy is not productive, and letting it drive you to insist that she stop whatever is bothering you is not going to make the situation better.

And in your scenario if she just prefers him to me, that fucking sucks and I hate it, but okay, bye.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I knew there was a payoff somewhere.

Happy to see the Commish lose again. Sad that so many morons think this means Brady has been vindicated on the underlying deflated balls issue.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I knew there was a payoff somewhere.

Happy to see the Commish lose again. Sad that so many morons think this means Brady has been vindicated on the underlying deflated balls issue.

TM

It seems like about as big a win as Brady could have had, no? Is there something that could be more vindicating? (Note: really asking, not being snarky. I haven't read the thing, but to listen to people around here, the decision all but decreed that Brady was born without sin in a virgin birth and should be the first person to be sainted before death. I believe there are currently churches in the area where little baby jesuses are being clothed with football jerseys and helmets.)

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Yup. I can't do anything about how she feels about someone else. If there's something I/we need to fix, then okay, let's work on that. Jealousy is not productive, and letting it drive you to insist that she stop whatever is bothering you is not going to make the situation better.

Uh...what the fuck are you talking about? "Jealousy is not productive?" That's brilliant. This is why I think you're full of shit. Jealousy isn't a thought process that one can avoid engaging in. It's involuntary, especially if it's based on something real that's going on.

And, yeah, you absolutely insist she stop seeing the other guy. It's not an either/or proposition. We work on our shit and you stop talking to the other guy.

Originally Posted by Adder

And in your scenario if she just prefers him to me, that fucking sucks and I hate it, but okay, bye.

It's not necessarily a matter of her completely preferring him to you. If that's the case, you're fucked anyway. It's a matter of her connecting with someone in an inappropriate way. I don't necessarily buy this idea that if you're attracted to someone there is something inherently wrong with your relationship. Sometimes it's just something new or chemical or different. But the question becomes: Where do you draw the line? I think everyone has a "Know it when you see it" standard of what is not acceptable when it comes to intimacy with someone outside the relationship. If you say that you're okay with your SO doing anything and everything with another guy as long as there's



then I'll just put you in the "you're kidding yourself" category that I used to think consisted of just Atticus and move on.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

It seems like about as big a win as Brady could have had, no? Is there something that could be more vindicating? (Note: really asking, not being snarky. I haven't read the thing, but to listen to people around here, the decision all but decreed that Brady was born without sin in a virgin birth and should be the first person to be sainted before death. I believe there are currently churches in the area where little baby jesuses are being clothed with football jerseys and helmets.)

The decision has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Brady broke the rule. It is limited to whether Goodell acted properly in finding him guilty and then confirming his own decision through the NFL's appeals process. The judge basically found that the agreement that was negotiated between the League and the PA violated due process in giving Goodell the power he had.

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

The decision has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Brady broke the rule. It is limited to whether Goodell acted properly in finding him guilty and then confirming his own decision through the NFL's appeals process. The judge basically found that the agreement that was negotiated between the League and the PA violated due process in giving Goodell the power he had.

TM

ESPN's Spygate investigation released today certainly is interesting.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Uh...what the fuck are you talking about? "Jealousy is not productive?" That's brilliant. This is why I think you're full of shit. Jealousy isn't a thought process that one can avoid engaging in. It's involuntary, especially if it's based on something real that's going on.

Feeling jealous is involuntary. Letting it drive you decisions isn't.

It's a matter of her connecting with someone in an inappropriate way.

The discussion is about what's "inappropriate" and short of something physical, I don't think there is much that falls in that category for me.

I don't necessarily buy this idea that if you're attracted to someone there is something inherently wrong with your relationship.

Of course not. If you're not attracted to other people, you're either lying or not human.

But the question becomes: Where do you draw the line?

That is the question, and I keep coming back to how is she treating me? Heck, I can imagine extraordinary circumstances where even touching is okay if its handled discretely, as respectfully as possible and not accompanied by abandonment of our relationship.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

ESPN's Spygate investigation released today certainly is interesting.

This part?

Each video sequence would usually include three shots: the down and distance, the signal, and, as an in-house joke, a tight shot of a cheerleader's top or skirt.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

The decision has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Brady broke the rule. It is limited to whether Goodell acted properly in finding him guilty and then confirming his own decision through the NFL's appeals process. The judge basically found that the agreement that was negotiated between the League and the PA violated due process in giving Goodell the power he had.

IIRC, at the end of the decision, the judge specifically points out that he did not reach the question of whether there was evidence that Brady had done what the NFL said he had done. But your characterization of the issues in the decision in the last two sentences above is not right. The judge did not find that the giving Goodell the power he had was necessarily a problem. Goodell misused that power specifically in this case, by denying Brady due process -- essentially, notice and a hearing -- in multiple ways. I think it's hard to read the decision and escape the conclusion that the judge factually disagreed with Goodell's conclusions, especially because he details how the NFL changed the way it characterized what Brady did over time, without any new evidence.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I haven't read the thing, but to listen to people around here, the decision all but decreed that Brady was born without sin in a virgin birth and should be the first person to be sainted before death. I believe there are currently churches in the area where little baby jesuses are being clothed with football jerseys and helmets.)

What? That was all true well before Berman's decision. The decision just confirmed it is the law of the land.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

ESPN's Spygate investigation released today certainly is interesting.

It sure is.

What I find the most shocking about Spygate and Deflategate is the constant refrain that none of the dirty shit they were clearly doing had much of an impact on any game. How the fuck is this a defense to anything? How does anyone know how much of an impact it had. Given how intricate Spygate seems to have been and the level of risk allegedly taken in Deflategate, why the fuck would they do it if there is no value?

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Feeling jealous is involuntary. Letting it drive you decisions isn't.




The discussion is about what's "inappropriate" and short of something physical, I don't think there is much that falls in that category for me.



Of course not. If you're not attracted to other people, you're either lying or not human.



That is the question, and I keep coming back to how is she treating me? Heck, I can imagine extraordinary circumstances where even touching is okay if its handled discretely, as respectfully as possible and not accompanied by abandonment of our relationship.

Right. Okay.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

IIRC, at the end of the decision, the judge specifically points out that he did not reach the question of whether there was evidence that Brady had done what the NFL said he had done.

Yes. Exactly what I said.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

But your characterization of the issues in the decision in the last two sentences above is not right. The judge did not find that the giving Goodell the power he had was necessarily a problem. Goodell misused that power specifically in this case, by denying Brady due process -- essentially, notice and a hearing -- in multiple ways.

I started to post a long response on the opinion, but I just don't fucking care. In any case, the judge was not tasked with determining whether Brady cheated or not, made no such decision on whether he did, and therefore the only vindication Brady has is based on Goodell's actions after the fucking fact, not on what he is alleged to have done.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I think it's hard to read the decision and escape the conclusion that the judge factually disagreed with Goodell's conclusions, especially because he details how the NFL changed the way it characterized what Brady did over time, without any new evidence.

Ha ha ha. No it's not. It's hard for a Patriots fan to come to any conclusion other than they each want to take Brady in their mouth.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

even touching is okay if its handled discretely, as respectfully as possible and not accompanied by abandonment of our relationship.

What does this mean?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Ha ha ha. No it's not. It's hard for a Patriots fan to come to any conclusion other than they each want to take Brady in their mouth.

I totally get that your opinions are based entirely on your distaste for Patriots fans rather than, say, reading Berman's decision. Frabjous.