I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

And Colin Powell, on the other hand, destroyed none of his private emails in which he discussed state dept matters. Nor did Rice.

Because they had zero political aspirations beyond the office they held at that point and had no reason to believe they'd ever be subject to the levels of scrutiny Hillary gets walking down the street?

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

http://www.politico.com/blogs/ben-sm...is-word-006674

And the general consensus is that she let her people run with the Muslim rumors in states where that would benefit her. See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...b_9312004.html

It was a straight question, not a rhetorical one. I was on Obama's side then, and I'm not going to defend her on that score, but...

Uh...Yes? Is this a trick question?

TM

... has Sebby ever complained about anyone else "playing racial politics"? It can't possibly explain why he called her a scumbag.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

She's not going to lift a finger on debt forgiveness because the banks and funds in that business would flip out at even her hinting at seriously considering such a bill.

The trying is the thing. That was Bernie's genius. He started the conversation on these third rail issues. She will not only refuse to do so, but actively seek to suppress it within her party.

The left's going to get pushed down quite hard in a Clinton Presidency. Just as it was triangulated out of the conversation during her husband's.

Aside from the fact that you are, once again, talking completely out of your ass, you haven't answered the question other than to say, "The trying is the thing."

No. It's not. Expressing unattainable goals gets you a cult following when you're running for President. It makes no fucking sense when you are actually governing. And again, what does "trying" look like when it comes the executive branch?

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I think you're saying, if you could plausible accuse her of having done anything wrong, the way she handled her email would be pretty damning. Maybe so, but it just underscores that no one is plausibly accusing her of having down anything wrong, even after wading through a lot of email.

If you're batshit crazy, you can conjure up a conspiracy to effectively hide what was in those other emails. Or, you can think that her staff destroyed a lot of personal email that they thought had nothing to do with official business, and needn't be seen by the people who like to go through her history to try to tear her down.

Others used private email (Powell, Rice, many more). None destroyed so much. And I don;t think many, if any, had it on private email servers. I believe Powell's and Rice's were private accounts they used at their official offices, which could be traced/recovered easily (and were).

Hillary set up a private server and wiped out 30,000 emails.

So you have duck, duck, duck, duck... armadillo!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It was a straight question, not a rhetorical one. I was on Obama's side then, and I'm not going to defend her on that score, but...



... has Sebby ever complained about anyone else "playing racial politics"? It can't possibly explain why he called her a scumbag.

If I didn't do so as to Bush, it's because there was soooo much else to use.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Others used private email (Powell, Rice, many more). None destroyed so much. And I don;t think many, if any, had it on private email servers. I believe Powell's and Rice's were private accounts they used at their official offices, which could be traced/recovered easily (and were).

Hillary set up a private server and wiped out 30,000 emails.

So you have duck, duck, duck, duck... armadillo!

I agree that she shouldn't have done it. But so what?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Aside from the fact that you are, once again, talking completely out of your ass, you haven't answered the question other than to say, "The trying is the thing."

No. It's not. Expressing unattainable goals gets you a cult following when you're running for President. It makes no fucking sense when you are actually governing. And again, what does "trying" look like when it comes the executive branch?

TM

If the President demands we start discussing an issue, it is no longer a third rail issue, and policy change can be implemented eventually.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Biden was weak, and deemed too old. Only when it was too late did he emerge as the guy who'd easily win. And Obama couldn't push the guy because Joe legitimately was consumed with other concerns. Like his son dying of cancer.

Biden was weighing his options for a long time and specifically avoided declining to run until the absolute last possible minute. If Obama made it clear early on that Biden had his support over Hillary, who knows how that would have affect Biden's decision?

Biden wasn't weak. If he had started making it clear he was entering the campaign early enough, he would have crushed Hillary and Bernie.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your analysis is naive, and for shit.

Hahahahahahaha! Given the high levels of bullshit you consistenly throw at this board, that comment is fantastic!

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Because they had zero political aspirations beyond the office they held at that point and had no reason to believe they'd ever be subject to the levels of scrutiny Hillary gets walking down the street?

TM

Huh? Nobody was going to investigate the correspondence of the guy who sold the Iraq war to the UN? Or the Secretary of State who presided during it? These people had far more at risk than Hillary. They were in Kissinger territory, being called war criminals by members of foreign govts in the developed world!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If I didn't do so as to Bush, it's because there was soooo much else to use.

Lemme recap. I asked, why do you hate HRC so much? In response, you've said a lot of stuff, some of it with some real truth, but nothing isn't true of a lot of other people. I still don't get why you hate her so much.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Biden was weighing his options for a long time and specifically avoided declining to run until the absolute last possible minute. If Obama made it clear early on that Biden had his support over Hillary, who knows how that would have affect Biden's decision?

His son was dying of cancer over a period of three years.

Biden wasn't weak. If he had started making it clear he was entering the campaign early enough, he would have crushed Hillary and Bernie.

It would have been a bloodbath and Biden was in no condition to take it on given where he was personally. The Clintons would've amassed the entire Dem Party against Joe with twice the aggression aimed at Bernie.

Hahahahahahaha! Given the high levels of bullshit you consistenly throw at this board, that comment is fantastic!

You're sure of a lot, but you really don't know much.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Huh? Nobody was going to investigate the correspondence of the guy who sold the Iraq war to the UN? Or the Secretary of State who presided during it? These people had far more at risk than Hillary. They were in Kissinger territory, being called war criminals by members of foreign govts in the developed world!

https://thinkprogress.org/proof-that...292#.wu93779qp

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Lemme recap. I asked, why do you hate HRC so much? In response, you've said a lot of stuff, some of it with some real truth, but nothing isn't true of a lot of other people. I still don't get why you hate her so much.

I probably hate the other people to whom you're referring.

Make a list of politicians I like and respect. See how far you get.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

She's not going to lift a finger on debt forgiveness because the banks and funds in that business would flip out at even her hinting at seriously considering such a bill.

You're really so lacking in creativity that you can't think of measures that could be taken on existing and future student debt that don't harm, or even actually.... benefit, the banks?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

https://thinkprogress.org/proof-that...292#.wu93779qp

TM

That is a cuckoo pants investigation. Notice, I never cited it as a reason to dislike her. I think it's bullshit.

I don't think she was hiding Benghazi emails. I think it was CGI.

But the ongoing Benghazi investigation would make her destruction of emails en masse all the more deliberate.