I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It's not over yet.

Fucking James Comey.

eta: Trump is leading in Pennsylvania by 60,000 votes. 160,000 Pennsylvanians voted for Gary Johnson. So that's a blow for liberty that they struck.

[Replaced_Texan]

I'm in such a state of shock about this. I don't even want to know what happens because it'll break my heart that much more. I'm a Hispanic woman. I have a gay brother. I've lived in a state that's been controlled by the GOP for years, and the ONLY check was the federal government and the Supreme Court.

That's gone now.

The rest of the country will now have to live with that sort of reality for at least two years, and say what you will about Rick Perry and Greg Abbott, they're not THAT fucking crazy. And there is no check, except for some increasingly elderly justices who will soon be outnumbered. I'm trying to go to sleep, and every time I shut my eyes, I remember another loathsome, terrible thing about him and another part of the country that I hold dear that will probably be gone within the first year of his presidency.

The only (very cold) comfort that I have is that I can't imagine that many in his party are clinging to him, and maybe one of the numerous, numerous scandals will finally attach on him and impeachment will start before too long. But I doubt it. He could be snorting coke off the corpse of a dead baby and those fuckers would still protect him. He's their fucking god now.

Fuck.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Fucking James Comey.

You of the left and right are so sure your policies are so unassailable, so much the best for all, that when you lose, it must be the fault of someone or something beyond your control. Racism, sexism, xenophobia. Anyone opposing you must be demented, because to disagree with your wisdom is madness.

I share your disdain for the unthinking. I probably detest them more than you.

But consider this for a while: It's exactly that attitude that just cost you this election.

There are better ways to use the media to your advantage. This time around, you used them to telecast snobbery too overtly. And a real snob - boorish, but still one - just waltzed in, galvanized the rabble against you, and Cleaned Your Clock.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You of the left and right are so sure your policies are so unassailable, so much the best for all, that when you lose, it must be the fault of someone or something beyond your control.

Oh, fuck off. Find a post where I said lefty policies are unassailable. I'm all too happy to tell you where my fellow travelers have screwed up. (That's what lefties do.) I never said Hillary walked on water.

This was a close election, which is why it was just decided at midnight here on the West Coast. Hillary had momentum when Comey sent that fucking letter to Congress, and it changed things in the race. Would she have won otherwise? Who knows, but it made a difference in a very close election.

[SlaveNoMore]

"Three thousand feet up! Up the side of PA,

He rode with Assange, to the website for FOIA!

"Pooh Pooh to the Whos!" he was Trumpingly snuffling.

"They're finding out now that no Cuba is coming!"

"They're just waking up! I know just what they'll do!"

"Their mouths will hang open a minute or two,

Then the Whos down in Whoville will all cry BOO! HOO!"

SlaveNo(Mic. Fucking. Drop.)More

[PS -seriously, perhaps get out of this fucking echo chamber and actually meet some of your fellow Americans one of these days]

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

"Three thousand feet up! Up the side of PA,

He rode with Assange, to the website for FOIA!

"Pooh Pooh to the Whos!" he was Trumpingly snuffling.

"They're finding out now that no Cuba is coming!"

"They're just waking up! I know just what they'll do!"

"Their mouths will hang open a minute or two,

Then the Whos down in Whoville will all cry BOO! HOO!"

SlaveNo(Mic. Fucking. Drop.)More

[PS -seriously, perhaps get out of this fucking echo chamber and actually meet some of your fellow Americans one of these days]

Sorry, all my money be gone at 9:31 AM as the markets absofucking lately crater.

[SEC_Chick]

How much do Democrats suck if they can't even run someone to beat Donald Trump?

I admit I was wrong about Trump. Yesterday I called him an unelectable imbecile. It turns out he's electable because people reject Democrat ideas. And some of them are racist and misogynist, but that she pretty much the same number of people as before.

This isn't Comey's fault. It's Hillary's. Before the last Comey nonsense more than 6 out of 10 voters had a problem with Hillary's email. Polls indicated more than a majority found her dishonest. Talk all you will about that being the fault of a vast right-wing conspiracy, it was as stupid to nominate her as it was for the GOP to nominate Trump. If Obama could win, a woman can win. Just not her. Seriously, do you believe that she carries hot sauce in her purse and gets fashion inspiration from rappers, or is that some of the poorest quality pandering you have ever seen? Do I need to show you the video of her changing her speech patterns depending on the audience? Now that the Dems have lost the working class whites, will they even try to win them back, or just show open contempt now?

Who would have thought that Obama would hand the House, Senate and the Presidency back to the GOP?

FTR, I was rooting for Trump as the results came in last night. Not as a sort of demented Trump Train bandwagon jumper, but as a proxy for GOP control of the Senate as a check on Hillary. I will be most curious to see if he nominates a judge off his list for the SC or his sister, and what the Senate will do about it.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Fucking James Comey.

eta: Trump is leading in Pennsylvania by 60,000 votes. 160,000 Pennsylvanians voted for Gary Johnson. So that's a blow for liberty that they struck.

How many for Harambe?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

How much do Democrats suck if they can't even run someone to beat Donald Trump?

I admit I was wrong about Trump. Yesterday I called him an unelectable imbecile. It turns out he's electable because people reject Democrat ideas. And some of them are racist and misogynist, but that she pretty much the same number of people as before.

This isn't Comey's fault. It's Hillary's. Before the last Comey nonsense more than 6 out of 10 voters had a problem with Hillary's email. Polls indicated more than a majority found her dishonest. Talk all you will about that being the fault of a vast right-wing conspiracy, it was as stupid to nominate her as it was for the GOP to nominate Trump. If Obama could win, a woman can win. Just not her. Seriously, do you believe that she carries hot sauce in her purse and gets fashion inspiration from rappers, or is that some of the poorest quality pandering you have ever seen? Do I need to show you the video of her changing her speech patterns depending on the audience? Now that the Dems have lost the working class whites, will they even try to win them back, or just show open contempt now?

Who would have thought that Obama would hand the House, Senate and the Presidency back to the GOP?

FTR, I was rooting for Trump as the results came in last night. Not as a sort of demented Trump Train bandwagon jumper, but as a proxy for GOP control of the Senate as a check on Hillary. I will be most curious to see if he nominates a judge off his list for the SC or his sister, and what the Senate will do about it.

This is true. All of us who would've take the good with the bad for the good of the country have to realize: we should've run a stick against Trump. Significant amount of ABC here -- Anyone But Clinton.
And what could happen in 4 years? Let's see if it's still a democracy in 4 years. And while I started looking into EU citizenship, I realized -- EU is Putin's right now. With no Nato, he is going to be taking back shit like it owed him money.

And all the people complaining about affordable act care increases: let's see how you feel like trying to get Negan's doctor to fix you.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

eta: Trump is leading in Pennsylvania by 60,000 votes. 160,000 Pennsylvanians voted for Gary Johnson. So that's a blow for liberty that they struck.

Take it easy on the Johnson voters. Some are actual Libertarians, but most were rejecting both candidates. If you forced a binary choice, a good number would have not voted or even broken for Trump anyway.

As I said yesterday, hypothetically at the time, it is on Hillary and her focus-grouped robot persona that takes 10 staffers twelve hours and 10 drafts to pen a single one of her tweets. Absolutely nothing about her is authentic. Whoever it was who said that was because speaking her mind didn't go so well -- think about it. Whenever she was herself, people didn't like her....

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

Take it easy on the Johnson voters. Some are actual Libertarians, but most were rejecting both candidates. If you forced a binary choice, a good number would have not voted or even broken for Trump anyway.

As I said yesterday, hypothetically at the time, it is on Hillary and her focus-grouped robot persona that takes 10 staffers twelve hours and 10 drafts to pen a single one of her tweets. Absolutely nothing about her is authentic. Whoever it was who said that was because speaking her mind didn't go so well -- think about it. Whenever she was herself, people didn't like her....

take it easy on the stupidest most self serving, selfish act in the history of humanity?

[ferrets_bueller]

Dateline Washington DC

Thousands of pundits, pollsters, prognosticators, lobbyists, journalists, and bureaucrats were herded into Farragut Square this morning as dawn broke. In a light rain, the crowd of confused men and women, still wearing the suits they had on from Tuesday evening, were then forced onto 14th Street and driven from Washington, over the 14th Street bridge, out of the city. Many were seen weeping.

Their tormentors, wearing “Trump that Bitch T-shirts and red baseball caps, prodded them with automatic weapons, which are now for sale at 7-11. “Gonna get me a bazooka next week,” crowed one enthusiast. The armed personnel claimed to be carrying the corpse of Andrew Jackson as an inspiration. A brass band, known as The Trumpettes, marched and played enthusiastically, if not always on key.

Career Democrats, stunned by the fact that they had nominated the one candidate who could be beaten by a serial bankrupt confessed pervert, were seen drinking, prostrate, in alleys near the Capitol. See sidebar story: Vice President Joe Biden Put On Suicide Watch.

One Democrat, however, was deliriously happy. Drinking vintage champagne from the bottle, he slurred that he had placed his entire securities portfolio in S&P puts last Friday. “I remembered that nobody ever went broke underestimating the American people. I figured Hillary would lose. When the market opens Wednesday, I will have made enough to buy the property next to Mar-a-Lago.”

A solitary Republican was seen thrashing about his Capitol Hill office, throwing lamps, paperweights, interns, and anything else he could grab. New Jersey Congressman Scott Garrett, former Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was defeated by a political novice. Mr. Garrett, whose political policies have been described as far to the right of Rush Limbaugh, lost to a political novice.

Meanwhile, calmer civil servants arrived at their offices throughout Washington to begin their workdays. Several were heard to be singing a line from “We Don’t Get Fooled Again” by The Who: “Meet the New Boss, Same As the Old Boss…”

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

take it easy on the stupidest most self serving, selfish act in the history of humanity?

You're right. It was supremely selfish for Hillary to put her personal thirst for power and influence peddling ahead of the country in a race she couldn't win.

You can't call people selfish for voting their conscience. And you fail to understand that if people were voting Johnson, it was at least in part because they don't like Hillary. She did not persuade them or win their votes. She received almost 7 million fewer votes than Obama. That's on her, not the Gary Johnson folks.

ETA: I hope that you all are prepared to hear repeated the arrogant words of some jackass: Elections have consequences.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You of the left and right are so sure your policies are so unassailable, so much the best for all, that when you lose, it must be the fault of someone or something beyond your control. Racism, sexism, xenophobia. Anyone opposing you must be demented, because to disagree with your wisdom is madness.

I share your disdain for the unthinking. I probably detest them more than you.

But consider this for a while: It's exactly that attitude that just cost you this election.

There are better ways to use the media to your advantage. This time around, you used them to telecast snobbery too overtly. And a real snob - boorish, but still one - just waltzed in, galvanized the rabble against you, and Cleaned Your Clock.

Enjoy your recession, Sebby.

You've earned it.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

You're right. It was supremely selfish for Hillary to put her personal thirst for power and influence peddling ahead of the country in a race she couldn't win.

You can't call people selfish for voting their conscience. And you fail to understand that if people were voting Johnson, it was at least in part because they don't like Hillary. She did not persuade them or win their votes. She received almost 7 million fewer votes than Obama. That's on her, not the Gary Johnson folks.

ETA: I hope that you all are prepared to hear repeated the arrogant words of some jackass: Elections have consequences.

They do, and the consequences here will directly affect myself and many people I love, but we will stick together and persevere.

Neither candidate got to 50% and the popular vote and the electoral vote will be divided. Yet we have elected into office, in all branches, a political party with the most extreme and uncompromising agenda we have seen since the Civil War. The problem is not just Trump, it is also Cruz and Ryan and all the other unprincipled elected officials out there. I hope the whole group of them is capable of governing, and of at least occasionally reaching out, but I deeply fear they are not.