I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Ah. My fault. Worst in that he was looked to by so many as someone who could provide accurate predictions. And now he's just like everyone else (even if he outperformed many, he was still way off). And that means way fewer clicks, which is sure to put a huge dent in his business.

TM

I find the analysis mildly interesting, but I go to those sites more for the raw data showing what poll was what. His data was a little easier to read and mine than realclearpolitics was, but took more clicks to get to.

The algorithms do a great job of predicting elections that were just like the last one, and always will. Increasingly, this is true of the polls, too, since pollsters today poll smaller groups than they used to but apply all kinds of filters to them. In other words, polling sucks.

Who wants to start a new oldskool polling company?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Ah. My fault. Worst in that he was looked to by so many as someone who could provide accurate predictions. And now he's just like everyone else (even if he outperformed many, he was still way off). And that means way fewer clicks, which is sure to put a huge dent in his business.

TM

As far as I can tell, Michael Moore was the only one who got it right.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Yes. This is why you lost. Get on that an everything will go swimmingly next time.

Fuck you.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

We will not significantly decrease use of fossil fuels until we are in dire crisis. It's dumb. But again, Hillary'd have done little to nothing about it beyond lip service. I agree a denialist at EPA is disturbing. But any more problematic than a serious scientist with no ability to do anything because energy companies bribe his or her boss to kill serious reform?

I don't even want to visit the pretend world in which you live. There is no point in telling you that this guy wants to tear up the Paris Accord. There is no point arguing with you about Hillary's actual fucking policy position because you haven't read it but you already know what she would have done based on what the marbles that roll around in your otherwise empty head are currently doing. You are the most dangerous kind of stupid there is.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

My 2 day pop-in is over. See ya'll later.

Bye, jackass.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Fuck you.

TM

Digest this and get back to me.

Some of the Ds get it. You aren't one of them.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I don't even want to visit the pretend world in which you live. There is no point in telling you that this guy wants to tear up the Paris Accord. There is no point arguing with you about Hillary's actual fucking policy position because you haven't read it but you already know what she would have done based on what the marbles that roll around in your otherwise empty head are currently doing. You are the most dangerous kind of stupid there is.

TM

Of course she's preferable on climate change. And he's an idiot on that issue. But putting aside promises, how much would they differ in regard to actual policy implementation? Not much. If you think she wasn't going to flip flop on Keystone XL, you're too silly for this debate.

But I will concede the Paris Accord is one area in which they differ in both promises and implementation. That's far more than mainly correct.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

A long time back in this election I said my biggest worry was where the white women were at.

It's a big, big worry. They're in a better place than the white male demographic, but still not a good place.

For you and Adder on white women's self-loathing - http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...for_trump.html . Or, again, it wasn't about what most of us think it was about.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Digest this and get back to me.

Some of the Ds get it. You aren't one of them.

The fact that you posted an article that agrees with you from Huffington Post makes you right about nothing. There are thousand post-election analysis pieces. Congrats on finding one.

The problem with you is that you don't stand for fucking anything. You are a selfish asshole who tries so hard in your own way to act like you're above everything. Nothing matters to Sebby. These people with opinions are wrong to have opinions for this reason. Those people are wrong for some other bullshit reason. You are an empty vessel that is convinced he's processing all of the madness around him and spitting out bitter truths to those who are oh so invested. But you're completely and utterly full of shit. I think out of every hundred posts you say something that makes sense and that's clearly by accident. But you will continue to mainly think that you mostly correct on everything without understanding that that one statement defines you here. And it's fucking ridiculous. I don't know what the fact that you have zero self awareness says about you. But it ain't good.

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Digest this and get back to me.

Some of the Ds get it. You aren't one of them.

That was better than I thought it would be at the outset, but I have to express frustration with "go to a town that no longer has a reason to exist and see how bad it is."

Like, what is that supposed to tell us? Once, the railyard or textile mill or whatever made that town grow to a size that it no longer needs. Or now we cultivate way more crops with fewer people than we needed a hundred years ago. That happens. There's literally nothing to be learned from an individual dying rural town, aside from the fact that its residents should be thinking about moving.

And this person knows that, saying the East Liverpool had contractions in the '50s and the '80s. You know what? Other places didn't. Why weren't those contractions the coming wave of doom that will get us all??

Because that's not how it works.

"Ground-breaking coalition-building between working class whites and people of color"?? Are your eyes closed and your ears plugged???

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Of course she's preferable on climate change. And he's an idiot on that issue. But putting aside promises, how much would they differ in regard to actual policy implementation? Not much. If you think she wasn't going to flip flop on Keystone XL, you're too silly for this debate.

But I will concede the Paris Accord is one area in which they differ in both promises and implementation. That's far more than mainly correct.

Whatever.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If you think she wasn't going to flip flop on Keystone XL

Stop it. You're making shit up to justify your decision making. It's stupid.

No, she wasn't going to flop on Keystone. Probably DAPL, but no, Keystone is dead.

He may not wind up being as terrible as he's promised, but he is going to do things that she would not have. At least in the real world, not the one where you just make up her positions for her.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Stop it. You're making shit up to justify your decision making. It's stupid.

No, she wasn't going to flop on Keystone. Probably DAPL, but no, Keystone is dead.

He may not wind up being as terrible as he's promised, but he is going to do things that she would not have. At least in the real world, not the one where you just make up her positions for her.

You're too silly for this debate. Everybody knows which positions of hers are real and clearly which she would have flip flopped on. By the way, I think we should ignore everything Trump has said and done his entire life. He's going to surprise some people with his upside even though the first thing he's done is appoint a climate change skeptic to run transition at the EPA and mull over which of his psychotic, unhinged attack dogs will be taking which cabinet position.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

The fact that you posted an article that agrees with you from Huffington Post makes you right about nothing. There are thousand post-election analysis pieces. Congrats on finding one.

The problem with you is that you don't stand for fucking anything. You are a selfish asshole who tries so hard in your own way to act like you're above everything. Nothing matters to Sebby. These people with opinions are wrong to have opinions for this reason. Those people are wrong for some other bullshit reason. You are an empty vessel that is convinced he's processing all of the madness around him and spitting out bitter truths to those who are oh so invested. But you're completely and utterly full of shit. I think out of every hundred posts you say something that makes sense and that's clearly by accident. But you will continue to mainly think that you mostly correct on everything without understanding that that one statement defines you here. And it's fucking ridiculous. I don't know what the fact that you have zero self awareness says about you. But it ain't good.

TM

I posted that not because it's from HuffPo, but because she nails it.

You don't realize that you demonstrate everything you criticize in the quote above. You know everything about everything. But you are correct about one thing: I don't believe in much. I'll admit that. I'll own it as "my truth." But you know what? That makes me more qualified to assess that on which I comment. I'm not as emotionally invested. I can see both sides of the coin. I think "believing in things" too much is a lot of what's wrong with this country. We just watched a tribal exercise where believers ignored facts, and a reality TV star nudged out a cipher funded by corporate interests at odds with 90% of her voters.

That was a good article. You should reread it.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

That was better than I thought it would be at the outset, but I have to express frustration with "go to a town that no longer has a reason to exist and see how bad it is."

Like, what is that supposed to tell us? Once, the railyard or textile mill or whatever made that town grow to a size that it no longer needs. Or now we cultivate way more crops with fewer people than we needed a hundred years ago. That happens. There's literally nothing to be learned from an individual dying rural town, aside from the fact that it's residents should be thinking about moving.

And this person knows that, saying the East Liverpool had contraction in s '50s and the '80s. You know what? Other places didn't. Why weren't those contractions the coming wave of doom that will get us all??

Because that's not how it works.

"Ground-breaking coalition-building between working class whites and people of color"?? Are your eyes closed and your ears plugged???

There is something to be learned from a dying town: That its residents should have moved out of it long ago.

That's the worst part of Trump's "bringing back jobs" con. He's telling people they are entitled to jobs right where they are, in obsolete skill sets.

But generally, the article is really fucking great. I see the flyover land whites a lot where I am, and from 2008 forward, every bitch and moan has been, "they bailed out the banks, and they fucked main street." It's all about jobs, jobs, jobs. The media and Dems emphasized the shit out of the racism and sexism elements because: (1) Gives immediate moral high ground; (2) Avoids discussing the fact that the Jobs Are Not Coming Back, Ever.

Romney and McCain got pummeled for honestly telling working class voters the jobs were gone forever. The Ds shrewdly stayed the fuck away from that issue. This of course opened that giant canyon Trump filled with his "I'll bring back jobs" bullshit.

But don't let me break up the circle jerk of everybody telling each other over and over it was mostly racism and sexism. Nevermind Trump got 1/4 the Latino vote, and 53% of women. Nevermind all that. A feel good narrative's better.