I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Great! Hopefully no one else who lives there is calling people who march to express their distaste, "looters."

TM

I walked by Union Square last night. Big protest. But nothing violent.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

"Peaceable" still means "I'd rather fuck things up than fix them."

Wait, are you trashing on the idea of protest here?

I mean, we've got an amendment for that.

There was a great little incident here in Boston that the press reported on, it was really pretty cute. There was a protest in front of the state house, as there is almost every day, and the crowd got big enough to spill out into the street, so the cops were directing traffic around. Some big aggressive tourist dude came up to a cop and got all agitated and said, "Aren't you going to arrest these people", and the cop responded, "Sir, we're in the seat of liberty, we try to give people some space to speak."

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

"Peaceable" still means "I'd rather fuck things up than fix them."

This makes exactly zero sense. None. Not one sense.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Wait, are you trashing on the idea of protest here?

I mean, we've got an amendment for that.

No time to express anger in the form of protest. We need to figure out how to fix this tonight! Everyone take out your protractors and let's get to work.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

There was a great little incident here in Boston that the press reported on, it was really pretty cute. There was a protest in front of the state house, as there is almost every day, and the crowd got big enough to spill out into the street, so the cops were directing traffic around. Some big aggressive tourist dude came up to a cop and got all agitated and said, "Aren't you going to arrest these people", and the cop responded, "Sir, we're in the seat of liberty, we try to give people some space to speak."

Was it Billy Ray Valentine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxAiLuPHnHs

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Wait, are you trashing on the idea of protest here?

I mean, we've got an amendment for that.

There was a great little incident here in Boston that the press reported on, it was really pretty cute. There was a protest in front of the state house, as there is almost every day, and the crowd got big enough to spill out into the street, so the cops were directing traffic around. Some big aggressive tourist dude came up to a cop and got all agitated and said, "Aren't you going to arrest these people", and the cop responded, "Sir, we're in the seat of liberty, we try to give people some space to speak."

Earlier this week I was in NYC. Running along the Hudson I keep having Paigow-like hate at the tourists walking 4 abreast, which is just not safe, giving the bike riders.

Today I flew to DC (I think they're putting up the inaugural platform, too early, right, or is it Trump making shit happen). Anyway, running on the Mall I was missing those NYC tourists. Anyone with enough sense to find the Hudson trail is at least not totally oblivious. These DC tourists, that's some bad bad tourists. Does the first amendment extend to how much sidewalk you decide to take up?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Earlier this week I was in NYC. Running along the Hudson I keep having Paigow-like hate at the tourists walking 4 abreast, which is just not safe, giving the bike riders.

Today I flew to DC (I think they're putting up the inaugural platform, too early, right, or is it Trump making shit happen). Anyway, running on the Mall I was missing those NYC tourists. Anyone with enough sense to find the Hudson trail is at least not totally oblivious. These DC tourists, that's some bad bad tourists. Does the first amendment extend to how much sidewalk you decide to take up?

Build tourist lanes. Make the tourists pay.

[taxwonk]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I know your latest move from the urbs requires some adjustment, but you seem to be bending over backwards in some weird effort to even things out between two different approaches to life based on geography. You don't have to turn those who are upset over the proposition that the President-elect seems to actively hate blacks and Hispanics into looters and thugs to prove your new countrified bona fides. You can be fair and open minded about the new place you live and the people who live there without shitting on the place you left.

TM

I'm trying to point out that you can curse the darkness or light a candle. I think that Trump is now our President because nature abhors a vacuum. The Democrats failed to put up a winnable candidate. And by that, I don't mean someone who should have beaten Trump. Your dog should have beaten Trump.

You have done more than anyone I know personally to change the way I think about race and my relation to it. The Democratic Party needs to spend the next four years doing exactly what you do every day. They should have been doing that more aggressively for the last eight years. Not just a few writers. Not just a few athletes. If we are going to keep this from becoming the kind of America where people like Trump are electable, we need to be more proactive than reactive, and we need to do it on the micro level.

We need to find smart, honest, and gutsy people and we need to get them to run for office. We need to get our message out instead of attacking the right's. I worked phone banks for a County Commissioner and a State Rep, both Democrats. I challenged every person I talked to about what exactly it was they figured Trump was going to do to create jobs. I taught soldiers getting ready to muster out how to go into business and create jobs, and part of my teaching was focused on the interdependence of each of them as business people to make sure they supported each other and their communities. But I didn't do enough.

Of course, I'm just a simple country disabled tax lawyer. I don't have the strength to go marching down Bay Street chanting slogans at people.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I walked by Union Square last night. Big protest. But nothing violent.

Many of you know this man, and those who do have little doubt that he and his dog were docile innocents. http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/11...protest-photo/

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

No time to express anger in the form of protest. We need to figure out how to fix this tonight! Everyone take out your protractors and let's get to work.

Was it Billy Ray Valentine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxAiLuPHnHs

TM

I'm going to start watching the Christmas feel-good movies early this year.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Many of you know this man, and those who do have little doubt that he and his dog were docile innocents. http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/11...protest-photo/

I do not know that man, but a quick glance at his twitter feeds has me fairly sure you are being sarcastic.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I'm trying to point out that you can curse the darkness or light a candle. I think that Trump is now our President because nature abhors a vacuum. The Democrats failed to put up a winnable candidate. And by that, I don't mean someone who should have beaten Trump. Your dog should have beaten Trump.

You have done more than anyone I know personally to change the way I think about race and my relation to it. The Democratic Party needs to spend the next four years doing exactly what you do every day. They should have been doing that more aggressively for the last eight years. Not just a few writers. Not just a few athletes. If we are going to keep this from becoming the kind of America where people like Trump are electable, we need to be more proactive than reactive, and we need to do it on the micro level.

I don't think you're wrong. I imagine that it isn't an easy task given the locations of so many of these voters and their tendency to view anyone talking about anything political that doesn't parrot Breitbart as the enemy.

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Many of you know this man, and those who do have little doubt that he and his dog were docile innocents. http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2016/11...protest-photo/

An anecdote from Schwartz. Well, you've convinced me.

TM

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Sebby should like this.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

And then this: Taking Trump voters’ concerns seriously means listening to what they’re actually saying.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...omy-is-weaker/

ETA: We can google this to a draw until our phones die. The truth is there are a number of factors at work. Trump voters were a varied, ahem, basket.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

An anecdote from Schwartz. Well, you've convinced me.

TM

How sad is it that my first thought upon reading your response was wondering if you* ever got your bed**?

*I think it was you. Right?

**Or was their a choice of furniture? Am I just making shit up in my memory?