I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I believe him.

Sebby loves nothing more than to sit at the country club and view himself as one of the real salt of the earth, Sarah-bear (remember when he spent a couple days arguing how smart she was) lovin 'mercans. You know, a moron.

That just suggests that he's with the Donald.

If he's the kind of libertarian who really cares about his taxes, and pays lip service to the other stuff, then he should support Trump, who will cut taxes for rich people.

If he's the kind of libertarian who cares about threats to liberty, like the undermining of the rule of law and the First Amendment, then he should have supported Hillary, because duh.

Et cetera.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

That just suggests that he's with the Donald.

If he's the kind of libertarian who really cares about his taxes, and pays lip service to the other stuff, then he should support Trump, who will cut taxes for rich people.

If he's the kind of libertarian who cares about threats to liberty, like the undermining of the rule of law and the First Amendment, then he should have supported Hillary, because duh.

Et cetera.

Please don't assert she was a better choice in terms of liberty. I'd rather dance with an anti-First Amendment fool who doesn't understand libel law than a viper at the helm of a crowd of people who believe they're data-mining the proles for the proles' own good.

You had no choice of liberty in this election. An amateur lunatic will go too far in his authoritarian aims and fall on his face in the attempt to pull off an Orwellian result. A pro will take a page from Huxley and further steal our liberties on the sly.

These two were all about Control. You couldn't have picked a better ad against individual freedom than Donald and Hillary side by side if you tried. The only person who concerned me more than either of them is Pence. At least they're nihilists. Pence is on a mission. And it's biblical.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Please don't assert she was a better choice in terms of liberty. I'd rather dance with an anti-First Amendment fool who doesn't understand libel law than a viper at the helm of a crowd of people who believe they're data-mining the proles for the proles' own good.

You had no choice of liberty in this election. An amateur lunatic will go too far in his authoritarian aims and fall on his face in the attempt to pull off an Orwellian result. A pro will take a page from Huxley and further steal our liberties on the sly.

These two were all about Control. You couldn't have picked a better ad against individual freedom than Donald and Hillary side by side if you tried. The only person who concerned me more than either of them is Pence. At least they're nihilists. Pence is on a mission. And it's biblical.

Trump's disdain for the rule of law is plain, and he has already started to go after the press. I don't understand what threat you think Hillary posed to liberty. Whatever the NSA would have done to intrude on you under her, it's not like they're going to back off because he's in charge.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Trump's disdain for the rule of law is plain, and he has already started to go after the press. I don't understand what threat you think Hillary posed to liberty. Whatever the NSA would have done to intrude on you under her, it's not like they're going to back off because he's in charge.

He's a white country club voter. Liberty means no one monitoring his porn watching habits other than the people trying to sell him more porn.

Stuff like overturning Roe v. Wade, racially motivated arrests and police violence, voting rights suppression, and harassing the press isn't his concern.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Holy shit.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Holy shit.

The idea of a constitutional convention is a pet of Cruz and Co., but a lot of other Rs have backed them as well.

They'd like to dial back the establishment and supremacy clauses, don't see much point to due process, and in some cases even want elected Supreme Court Justices. Balanced budget and state mandated single sex marriage are also popular.

No worries, though, because Sebby says Hillary is just as big a threat to liberty.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The idea of a constitutional convention is a pet of Cruz and Co., but a lot of other Rs have backed them as well.

They'd like to dial back the establishment and supremacy clauses, don't see much point to due process, and in some cases even want elected Supreme Court Justices. Balanced budget and state mandated single sex marriage are also popular.

No worries, though, because Sebby says Hillary is just as big a threat to liberty.

Roe isn't going anywhere. Nor is gay marriage. You're overwrought. Get a grip on yourself.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Holy shit.

My governor will be the first to do it. For all of their stated love of the Constitution, these fuckers actually hate it with a passion.

OTOH, if some state like California wants to hijack it and put up the ERA for consideration or overturn Citizen's United, I'm all for it. Seems to me that 38 states is an awful lot.

[Replaced_Texan]

also, interesting Reddit discussion from FSOs on whether to jump ship or not: https://www.reddit.com/r/foreignserv...rump_as_potus/

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

My governor will be the first to do it. For all of their stated love of the Constitution, these fuckers actually hate it with a passion.

OTOH, if some state like California wants to hijack it and put up the ERA for consideration or overturn Citizen's United, I'm all for it. Seems to me that 38 states is an awful lot.

This information made the rounds in conservative circles the morning after the election. You'll be reassured to know that the only Dem state legislature up for election in the off cycle next year is New Jersey, IIRC, so we can cross our fingers for 2018, when it is still pretty unlikely.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

He's a white country club voter. Liberty means no one monitoring his porn watching habits other than the people trying to sell him more porn.

Stuff like overturning Roe v. Wade, racially motivated arrests and police violence, voting rights suppression, and harassing the press isn't his concern.

Your party's offer to the Trump voters: Managed decline.

You can cite all the planks from Hillary's platform regarding retraining, and education, or whatever other superficial fix she offered, all day long, but that was the shit sandwich Trump voters would be receiving. And they knew it. They'd be getting more job losses, and lower wages, assuaged with safety nets rather than addressed with policies directed at producing credible domestic economic growth.

Now, we can argue about whether those folks deserve what they're getting, which many of them do. And we can argue how much Trump is full of shit in his belief he can bring them back jobs. (I'd say far more than not.) But what's not up for debate is that your party sold stagnation. For years, two thirds of the country has been stating it believes we are on the wrong track. The Democrats' campaign promise? More of the same! But it's somehow still Gary Johnson's fault. Give me a fucking break.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your party's offer to the Trump voters: Managed decline.

You're so very good at bobbing and weaving, changing the subject. Have you thought about running for office?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You're so very good at bobbing and weaving, changing the subject. Have you thought about running for office?

I'm done with defending myself to someone calling me a country club voter. What's the point? Whatever I say, it'll be met with more angry shit.

I'm tired of defending myself to the right and the left. I hear the arguments from both sides. Really, I get it. The right tells me I didn't care about the working stiffs getting fucked in the economy, and oddly, that because I didn't back their guy, I don't deserve what Trump will bring. Well, I am pretty fucking sure that I don't deserve that, at all. The left barks about the sky falling, and that I'm a traitor for knowing better and not doing the right thing. They're being dramatic and more than a bit obnoxious.

How's a guy to win here? I've explained that I had no choice. And I'm not going to dignify anyone telling me I should be more frightened, upset, or horrified. I might be at some point. I just as well might not. I'll do as Chapelle suggested and see what happens.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You're so very good at bobbing and weaving, changing the subject. Have you thought about running for office?

I had a nightmare about it once. Thankfully, without a segue worth recalling, it quickly morphed into an orgy.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your party's offer to the Trump voters: Managed decline.

You can cite all the planks from Hillary's platform regarding retraining, and education, or whatever other superficial fix she offered, all day long, but that was the shit sandwich Trump voters would be receiving. And they knew it. They'd be getting more job losses, and lower wages, assuaged with safety nets rather than addressed with policies directed at producing credible domestic economic growth.

Now, we can argue about whether those folks deserve what they're getting, which many of them do. And we can argue how much Trump is full of shit in his belief he can bring them back jobs. (I'd say far more than not.) But what's not up for debate is that your party sold stagnation. For years, two thirds of the country has been stating it believes we are on the wrong track. The Democrats' campaign promise? More of the same! But it's somehow still Gary Johnson's fault. Give me a fucking break.

This post is hilarious, as usual.

Choices: Investment in industries that will compete going forward and job training in those industries (if people would vote against the assholes blocking all of that) or magically taking us back to the good old days with protectionist policy for jobs that are completely fucking gone.

Sure "we can argue" about these things. But why would we? The message 4 out of 5 morons prefer is: Magical High Paying Jobs for Life for Everybody!

TM