I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They are. Student debt forgiven for the kids, credit cards forgiven for the doublewide demographic. Both have much better multipliers and social benefits than payments to rentiers.

Well, this gave me a good laugh.

You think there is a multiplier to a dead-ender with an opiate problem hanging out in a double wide but not an immigrant trying to build a life for his or her family in the city?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Well, this gave me a good laugh.

You think there is a multiplier to a dead-ender with an opiate problem hanging out in a double wide but not an immigrant trying to build a life for his or her family in the city?

I was comparing the multiplier of rent payments to consumer spending and business investment. How you shoehorned immigration into the conversation I'm unsure.

But since you did, obviously, no sane person would argue debt forgiveness for oxy addicts is better for the economy than liberal immigration. If you're looking for someone to argue immigration with, I'm not your man. We're in agreement on that issue.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I was comparing the multiplier of rent payments to consumer spending and business investment. How you shoehorned immigration into the conversation I'm unsure.

But since you did, obviously, no sane person would argue debt forgiveness for oxy addicts is better for the economy than liberal immigration. If you're looking for someone to argue immigration with, I'm not your man. We're in agreement on that issue.

The question I started with was how it was that the disgruntled white dude in low-cost Hokum, PA needed his credit card cancelled while the immigrant lyft driver in expensive Boston was getting by and building a life for his or her family.

That was the question I started with, you tried to respond first by pivoting to students and then by pivoting to some thoughts about discharging the Hokum dude's loans would have a better multiplier than helping some rentier (who I assume was my immigrant, though why I don't know).

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The question I started with was how it was that the disgruntled white dude in low-cost Hokum, PA needed his credit card cancelled while the immigrant lyft driver in expensive Boston was getting by and building a life for his or her family.

That was the question I started with, you tried to respond first by pivoting to students and then by pivoting to some thoughts about discharging the Hokum dude's loans would have a better multiplier than helping some rentier (who I assume was my immigrant, though why I don't know).

The immigrant's probably carrying debt that holds him back as well. I didn't propose a cancellation of debt for only non-immigrants. I proposed an across the board cancellation. How did you conclude otherwise?

I didn't pivot to shit. I tried to offer something constructive. Why are immigrants building lives in urban areas while oxy addicts in WV not doing so? That's simple. They're hungry and ambitious. All the more reason to let them come in and improve the country.

But that doesn't speak to the issue that preceded your initial post cited above, which was a discussion of the merits of guaranteed income vs. debt forgiveness.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The immigrant's probably carrying debt that holds him back as well. I didn't propose a cancellation of debt for only non-immigrants. I proposed an across the board cancellation. How did you conclude otherwise?

I didn't pivot to shit. I tried to offer something constructive. Why are immigrants building lives in urban areas while oxy addicts in WV not doing so? That's simple. They're hungry and ambitious. All the more reason to let them come in and improve the country.

But that doesn't speak to the issue that preceded your initial post cited above, which was a discussion of the merits of guaranteed income vs. debt forgiveness.

No hope for either of those programs. Zero.

Best ways to build jobs in Hokum would have been to redo the buy-a-visa program to require that the jobs created in connection with the visa be focused in areas with greater than 8% unemployment and to increase research funding for commercialization programs to red state universities.

But the first program needed Hillary + at least a democratic Senate and the second program has been fought by the red staters like crazy (for example, trying to get clean coal research programs going at the University of W. Virginia or Kentucky is a bust, because they want to focus on climate-denial science instead -- so instead we get like a half billion dollars for clean coal research in Boston).