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Old 11-29-2016, 07:32 PM   #11
Tyrone Slothrop
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Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
"Party Apparatus," not Democrats in general.
Sorry. Please read my prior post as:

Oh dear. You got the brutal part, but not the honest part. You're just making shit up about what (unidentified) motivates the "Party Apparatus." If you want to make shit up, go for it, but don't pretend you're being honest.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
Neither party organization gives a fuck about much more than winning and preserving its power.
I know you delight in saying this shit, but it's just as mind-bendingly simplistic and wrong as it ever was. There clearly are people of both parties who are motivated by principle. You can call it ideology if you like. (It's not to say that there is no self-interest involved, because that would be just as stupid as saying that's all that's involved.) For example, since we are talking about civil rights, there are lots of people who have made great personal sacrifices because they believed in civil rights. Some of them became elected officials, Democrats even, and ended up in the "Party Apparatus." Some of those may have abandoned their principles, but some -- and pay attention here, because this is the surprising bit that will shatter your easy cynicism -- some of them have not. Some people actually believe in equality -- for example, that everyone should have the right to vote.
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