I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I know you're trying to be cutesy, but this is so fucking stupid that I wouldn't expect it from you.

TM

Context: The wife says I hate music. I used to argue with her. But really, I have a pretty narrow window of music I do like.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Adder

Context: The wife says I hate music. I used to argue with her. But really, I have a pretty narrow window of music I do like.

Ok, you started digging, everyone told you maybe you want to stop, and you're just keeping on, digging deeper and deeper. Maybe it's time to hand you a shovel, sit back, and laugh at the sheer stupidity of it all.

So, to be clear, the day Dylan went electric was the day the music died, right?

Now, who wants a beer?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I know you're trying to be cutesy, but this is so fucking stupid that I wouldn't expect it from you.

TM

If he had even the beginning of a an inkling of a sliver of a clue about how Grandmaster Flash or DJ Premier or the Bomb Squad created their non-music, it might be worthwhile trying to have a conversation with him, but he is the modern equivalent of the backwards moron who dismisses all abstract art as "scribblings my kid could do" and thinks of jazz improvisation as "just playing random notes." So there is no point in even having the conversation. And non-music proponents have little to worry about because almost every song on the Billboard charts is non-music, so it is doing fine commercially without him.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

Context: The wife says I hate music. I used to argue with her. But really, I have a pretty narrow window of music I do like.

We are not talking about music you like. We are talking about the definition of "real music."

You seem fairly woke to the marginalization of whole ethnicities and their contributions in all other aspects of society. So your lack of recognition of a long tradition of people with limited resources and access making something beautiful out of essentially nothing is stunning.

Hip hop music is as original, creative, subversive, and post-modern as any art form you can think of. If you can't see the beauty in poor kids taking a turntable and turning it into an instrument that creates a new kind of sound with extraordinary skill, while also sampling the creations of others and turning their sounds into something new and amazing--a true representation of what one thinks of as the tradition of what it means to be American--then you need to rethink your philosophical approach not only to music, but to life.

TM

[Adder]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

You seem fairly woke to the marginalization of whole ethnicities and their contributions in all other aspects of society. So your lack of recognition of a long tradition of people with limited resources and access making something beautiful out of essentially nothing is stunning.

You may recall that this began with me calling myself a bigot.

But you're right, I should not say "real music."

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

If he had even the beginning of a an inkling of a sliver of a clue about how Grandmaster Flash or DJ Premier or the Bomb Squad created their non-music, it might be worthwhile trying to have a conversation with him, but he is the modern equivalent of the backwards moron who dismisses all abstract art as "scribblings my kid could do" and thinks of jazz improvisation as "just playing random notes." So there is no point in even having the conversation. And non-music proponents have little to worry about because almost every song on the Billboard charts is non-music, so it is doing fine commercially without him.

No. I think he's convinced me. This isn't music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYJjCgZoJA

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Adder

You may recall that this began with me calling myself a bigot.

You should think about the context of when you've heard others say some ridiculous fake ass, self-deferential bullshit like this. For awhile.

Originally Posted by Adder

But you're right, I should not say "real music."

Fair enough.

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

No. I think he's convinced me. This isn't music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYJjCgZoJA

TM

I have said it before, Jazzy Jeff is severely underrated as a pure hip hop DJ (although I think less so these days). Tens of thousands of hours of DJing went into building those skills. Just amazing.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I have said it before, Jazzy Jeff is severely underrated as a pure hip hop DJ (although I think less so these days). Tens of thousands of hours of DJing went into building those skills. Just amazing.

For quite some time he was the best. His connection to Will Smith helped and hurt him. That clip isn't even close to his best work. He was (is) amazing.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by adder

but you're right, i should not say "real music."

this isn't a real president.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

For quite some time he was the best. His connection to Will Smith helped and hurt him. That clip isn't even close to his best work. He was (is) amazing.

TM

Parents Just Don't Understand did not help his street cred.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Parents Just Don't Understand did not help his street cred.

True, but they just don't.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

http://theslot.jezebel.com/haha-what...ium=socialflow

[Icky Thump]

Donald, for fucking up a great scene in a great movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSH3xWNUWi4

[ferrets_bueller]

Since any declaration by me concerning music would be met by contempt, derision and condescension, I'll switch to law and politics.

One of my favorite cases to cite is The Chimney Sweeper's Jewel, Armorie v. Delamarie, 1 Strange 505 (1722). Whenever the opportunity arises, I cite this for the proposition that an adverse inference arises when a party in exclusive possession of something refuses to produce it. In that case, a chimney sweep found a ring, gave it to a jeweler, and asked for an appraisal. The jeweler lowballed the value, and refused to return the stone, returning only the setting to the chimney sweep.

At trial the jeweler refused to produce the jewel. The court held the chimney sweep had superior title, and that damages would be the maximum value of a stone that would fit in the setting. There was an adverse inference against the jeweler who hadn't produced the stone.

We are the Chimney Sweeps. Trump is the Jeweler. The stone is his tax return(s). By adverse inference, his tax returns contain information which would disqualify him from the Presidency. This has both logic and law on the side of the Chimney Sweeps, unlike, just to pick an example out of thin air, the fabrication of Trump's nonsense about Obama's Kenyan birth.

Let the trial begin! Trump has the proof. Let him produce it or resign.