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Old 05-17-2017, 11:17 AM   #11
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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Rather than define disadvantage as the baseline, which allows one to view people like me as "privileged," isn't the actual reality one in which my situation is (or should be) the norm, and the circumstances of those discriminated against an abnormality?
Sure.

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Isn't it really a situation in which white, cis males are treated in an "average" manner, and people discriminated against for color, sex, or sexuality "unfairly disadvantaged"?
Sure, but it's not.

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I'm not privileged so much as treated the way everyone ought to be treated.
Other people aren't. What does that make you?

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Instead of focusing on guys like me (possibly the least relevant humans in these debates) who are being treated in utterly average ways, isn't the proper focus placed on people who are being treated unfairly?
No. That absolves you from responsibility, which is what you're trying to do.

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rather than saying, "Hey, you need to recognize that you're lucky."
This discussion started with you griping that you can't act the ways you really want to act.

ETA: Btw, it wasn't long ago that you were arguing that the economically successful needed to realize that they've been lucky.

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The latter, I'm sorry, cannot be said without implying some form of guilt or ill-gotten advantage.
Yeah, that's where you're going off the tracks. You're not guilty because of your privilege, you just need to keep it in mind when you're dismissing other people's experiences.
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