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Old 07-13-2017, 04:04 PM   #1111
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She deleted them? No, she did not.
Really? So what happened to the 30,000 emails she did not turn over to State? If she had retained copies, perhaps everyone's questions would have been answered satisfactorily. What happened to those Sid Blumenthal or David Petreus emails she didn't turn over? I guess we'll never know whether there were additional responsive emails or government records because of the Bleach Bit. You're right. That's more than just deleting them.

I am actually not a member of the Lock Her Up brigade, but it offends me that setting up a system whereby highly classified information ends up on a server in a bathroom closet in Denver isn't at least characterized formally as "mishandling" of the information. It's offensive to the people who actually do take the care to secure their information properly. We can stop discussing this, we'll never agree on it.
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So what happened to the 30,000 emails she did not turn over to State?
Once again, there is testimony on this subject that's reflected in the FBI interview notes.

The IT vendor who did the restoration and the searches said he deleted them without instruction from Clinton or her team.

Maybe he was lying, but regardless, she did not personally delete them.

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it offends me that setting up a system whereby highly classified information ends up on a server in a bathroom closet in Denver isn't at least characterized formally as "mishandling" of the information.
Again, do you have any interaction with government IT? If you had, that would probably sound not particularly insecure.
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Again, do you have any interaction with government IT? If you had, that would probably sound not particularly insecure.
I do have knowledge of government IT. And I also understand that it's probably not a good thing to be buying the Secretary of State's BlackBerry on ebay. You don't need IT to tell you that.

As bad as government IT is, they would have retained work related emails. And you are right. Had she used a State email server, and conducted the same activity on it as she did her private server, that would also have been mishandling of classified information. But at least we would know for sure the extent of the damage.
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I do have knowledge of government IT. And I also understand that it's probably not a good thing to be buying the Secretary of State's BlackBerry on ebay. You don't need IT to tell you that.

As bad as government IT is, they would have retained work related emails. And you are right. Had she used a State email server, and conducted the same activity on it as she did her private server, that would also have been mishandling of classified information. But at least we would know for sure the extent of the damage.
To your very last sentence, I think that's an overly optimistic view of the government's IT capabilities. FWIW. I don't think what she did was particularly secure, but I doubt it was any less secure that the officially preferred solution.
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I think the next items in my queue are Adrienne Mayor's The Poison King, and then Robin Lane Fox's Pagans and Christians, but that sounds good.
It is pretty short and readable for what is a seminal history book (not quite as seminal as Gibbon, but what is?).
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It is pretty short and readable for what is a seminal history book (not quite as seminal as Gibbon, but what is?).
Herodotus. Doesn't get any more seminal than that.
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Really? So what happened to the 30,000 emails she did not turn over to State? If she had retained copies, perhaps everyone's questions would have been answered satisfactorily. What happened to those Sid Blumenthal or David Petreus emails she didn't turn over? I guess we'll never know whether there were additional responsive emails or government records because of the Bleach Bit. You're right. That's more than just deleting them.

I am actually not a member of the Lock Her Up brigade, but it offends me that setting up a system whereby highly classified information ends up on a server in a bathroom closet in Denver isn't at least characterized formally as "mishandling" of the information. It's offensive to the people who actually do take the care to secure their information properly. We can stop discussing this, we'll never agree on it.

Of course, Hillary has apologized for her handling and provided various mea culpas at various times and testified on for hours etc etc. , so she doesn't entirely disagree with you on security issues.

So how do you feel about the apparent use of gmail and various other accounts by members of the Trump White House and by some of the key Congressmen on the intelligence committees, etc.? Investigation worthy? Perhaps more of a concern today than the now historical subject you're focusing on?
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Second thoughts on your initial take on Tillerson being the adult in the room?

https://thinkprogress.org/tillerson-...e-a150206a3b0c

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Second thoughts on your initial take on Tillerson being the adult in the room?

https://thinkprogress.org/tillerson-...e-a150206a3b0c

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Yet, he may not be as bad a SoS as Sessions is an AG.
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Second thoughts on your initial take on Tillerson being the adult in the room?

https://thinkprogress.org/tillerson-...e-a150206a3b0c
He has been pretty terrible, but I still would trust his judgment in a crisis more than most of the people around the President.
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Herodotus. Doesn't get any more seminal than that.
Well, ok.
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Wow. Looks like McConnell is really breaking open the slush fund piggy bank.

Cash 'n carry day at the Capitol!
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As bad as government IT is, they would have retained work related emails.
Yes, this is the one way in which relying solely on government IT would have been superior.

The secretary of state would have been a decade behind the times wrt her ability to communicate, but isn't record retention waaay more important?

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That's laughable.
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So how do you feel about the apparent use of gmail and various other accounts by members of the Trump White House and by some of the key Congressmen on the intelligence committees, etc.? Investigation worthy? Perhaps more of a concern today than the now historical subject you're focusing on?[/QUOTE]

I absolutely believe that every government official should use their government email for official business. Beyond Hillary, the IRS, EPA and others during the Obama administration flaunted the rules and their accountability to Americans. I don't think Trump staffers should have used their RNC email, or any other private email for government business. I think it is not so much major investigation-worthy as it is actionable. I think if there is evidence of government business being conducted outside of government channels, there should be consequences for all involved.

And, BTW, I also believe Trump and his admin are mishandling information when his staff uses the unsecured wi-fi at Mar a Lago.
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The secretary of state would have been a decade behind the times wrt her ability to communicate, but isn't it record retention waaay more important?



That's laughable.
I'm pretty sure a BlackBerry off of Ebay is also a decade behind the times...
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