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Old 08-09-2017, 01:32 PM   #1486
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

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We're relying right now on Kim being smart enough to realize that he doesn't actually want a fight. I think he's that smart, but I don't see how anything 45 is doing helps in that regard.

I do see how what 45 is doing only increases the incentives for Kim to keep developing better missiles and nukes.
We are relying on the same thing with regard to every other country in the world with nuclear weapons. North Korea having nuclear weapons gives us even more of an interest in the stability of their regime, which is good for Kim. My fear is that it gives him an ability to extort us, which will encourage him to push the limits of what he can do, and a POTUS who doesn't understand that game may react the wrong way.
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:33 PM   #1487
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I think it's all a question of how desperate he gets domestically. If you see his poll numbers death spiral into the low thirties, war is about the only way he'd be able to reverse them.
Finding a way to appeal to people not his base would be a conventional move for many politicians but an entirely new and different behavior from him, and I don't think his base wants war.
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

So question- lots of big brain libs on FB are posting this thing from a former Obama explaining how we have a really good option to taking down Kim. It implies this is all the Trump admin needs to do.

If so, why didn't Obama do that?
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Old 08-09-2017, 03:42 PM   #1489
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So question- lots of big brain libs on FB are posting this thing from a former Obama explaining how we have a really good option to taking down Kim. It implies this is all the Trump admin needs to do.

If so, why didn't Obama do that?
I don't know what thing you're talking about, but my view on NK is that one must choose among many bad approaches, and it's all in the art of choosing the least bad. This is something Americans have not proven good at.
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So question- lots of big brain libs on FB are posting this thing from a former Obama explaining how we have a really good option to taking down Kim. It implies this is all the Trump admin needs to do.

If so, why didn't Obama do that?
I did not read it because we should not be trying to take Kim down.

ETA: If you'd read it (skimmed it), you'd see that the dude said he was doing it under Obama and we need to keep it up.

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Old 08-09-2017, 03:47 PM   #1491
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I don't know what thing you're talking about, but my view on NK is that one must choose among many bad approaches, and it's all in the art of choosing the least bad. This is something Americans have not proven good at.
This. You're 'sposed to stop saying there are no good options, apparently.
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This. You're 'sposed to stop saying there are no good options, apparently.
This is why I prefer to focus on the Middle East. Fewer situations there are intractable and insoluble.
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(e.g., bombing Syria -- and the pushback there from Russia may have been something he didn't expect)
Didn't he pre-clear that with Putin? And didn't he bomb absolutely nothing, resulting in zero casualties?

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Old 08-09-2017, 04:58 PM   #1494
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Didn't he pre-clear that with Putin?
I didn't have that impression -- I thought there was more blowback from Russia than they expected, but maybe I'm wrong.

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And didn't he bomb absolutely nothing, resulting in zero casualties?
Yes, and hope that he was very clear that was what he was doing, as opposed to brinksmanship with someone with nuclear weapons, etc.
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Red Notice

Has anyone on here read "Red Notice" (about Sergei Magnitsky)? I heard an interview with the author (Magnitsky's client) yesterday and the interview was fascinating and also super-depressing. Seems like a good follow-up to Man without a Face.
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Old 08-09-2017, 05:39 PM   #1496
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I did not read it because we should not be trying to take Kim down.
This is a good thread.
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Old 08-09-2017, 05:46 PM   #1497
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Huh. You'd almost think "pivot to Asia" is a good strategy here.
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Old 08-09-2017, 06:19 PM   #1498
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Huh. You'd almost think "pivot to Asia" is a good strategy here.
Turns out the answer is "buffoon."
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Old 08-09-2017, 06:38 PM   #1499
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We know what he was thinking of. Those golden showers just don't do it for him any more.

Though if it comes down to an actual pissing contest, we may have the one face-off Trump can win.

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Old 08-09-2017, 07:59 PM   #1500
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And somebody has been cleaning up his resume!

I suppose one of the positive traits of white men is that they lie about things like qualifications and that shows more drive to get ahead.
Yes, white men are the only people who lie on resumes.

The stuff you wrote above? Stop. Just stop. It's dumb, and it's beneath you.
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