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08-18-2017, 12:47 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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08-18-2017, 12:57 PM
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#1697
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Government Yard in Trenchtown
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not seeing much difference in the empirical reality that both of you perceive. Sebby feels that it's counterproductive to emphasize the degree to which many people act out of prejudice and bigotry, and Adder feels that it's counterproductive to understate it. Both of you would like to pretend that the other is saying something extreme, rather than assuming the other has good motivations and might have a point.
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And everyone misses the point.
Pretty much all of American literature is about bigotry. It is central to our identity. The never ending struggle with our dark side is as defining to who we are as much as our idealistic side embracing freedom, equality and justice. If you don't deal with prejudice and bigotry, you're probably not American. Maybe Canadian?
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08-18-2017, 01:01 PM
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm not seeing much difference in the empirical reality that both of you perceive. Sebby feels that it's counterproductive to emphasize the degree to which many people act out of prejudice and bigotry, and Adder feels that it's counterproductive to understate it. Both of you would like to pretend that the other is saying something extreme, rather than assuming the other has good motivations and might have a point.
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We already have a NotBob
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I will not suffer a fool- but I do seem to read a lot of their posts
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08-18-2017, 01:28 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
We already have a NotBob
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I wasn't trying to be so nice about it -- sorry.
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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08-18-2017, 01:29 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
And everyone misses the point.
Pretty much all of American literature is about bigotry. It is central to our identity. The never ending struggle with our dark side is as defining to who we are as much as our idealistic side embracing freedom, equality and justice. If you don't deal with prejudice and bigotry, you're probably not American. Maybe Canadian?
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Democrats should keep attacking Trump for cozying up to Nazis and racists, rather than letting him reframe things about Civil War monuments. A lot of people are OK with leaving Civil War monuments up. Nazis is a better wedge issue, and it's more focused on him.
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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08-18-2017, 02:00 PM
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Location: Washington
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
Bannon leaves today.
A rodent leaving a floundering vessel.
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08-18-2017, 04:46 PM
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I am beyond a rank!
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller
Bannon leaves today.
A rodent leaving a floundering vessel.
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It will be interesting to see if there is actually a rift between the WH and Breitbart now. |
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08-18-2017, 05:42 PM
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usually superfluous
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
What about brother/aunt?
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I'll allow it. |
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08-18-2017, 07:48 PM
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Survivor Island
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
See Club? Consider yourself updated. How is it going with you?
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All good, thanks. World has changed and Club with it. Never thought I'd vote for Hillary, but desperate times and all.
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08-18-2017, 07:51 PM
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Adder
It will be interesting to see if there is actually a rift between the WH and Breitbart now.
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I sure hope so. That would be epic. No holds barred. The Donald could not resist. |
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08-18-2017, 08:32 PM
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Serenity Now
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Survivor Island
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Democrats should keep attacking Trump for cozying up to Nazis and racists, rather than letting him reframe things about Civil War monuments. A lot of people are OK with leaving Civil War monuments up. Nazis is a better wedge issue, and it's more focused on him.
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Both parties should be doing this. |
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08-19-2017, 03:51 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
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Originally Posted by sgtclub
Both parties should be doing this.
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Hey, from your lips to Paul Ryan's ear, but I'm not holding my breath.
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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08-19-2017, 04:55 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
Disappointing if true:
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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08-20-2017, 03:02 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monty Capuletti's gazebo
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From the Right Wing Circle Jerk...
Received this from 5 different GOP/Indie friends over past couple days.
The information siloing since Trump is amazing: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1642976...ysteria-bubble
It's like the right and left live on different planets.
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08-20-2017, 06:33 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Re: From the Right Wing Circle Jerk...
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
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Dismissing half the country (or more) as hysterical is one strategy.
"My upcoming book, Win Bigly, tells you how to persuade others." I think Adder would have more luck there, and that's not saying much.
eta: The thing that was different this week was that it was about Nazis and white supremacy, not just racists, and Trump couldn't bring himself to say those things are wrong. He and his defenders are trying to make it about "race" more generally so that they can tell a story with two sides. But most people in the country find it easy to say Nazis are bad, and Trump doesn't. (And it's not that he doesn't want to be a moral leader -- he has not problem condemning Islamic terrorism, illegal immigration, fake news and leaks. That doesn't seem to have occurred to Adams.)
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的t was fortunate that so few men acted according to moral principle, because it was so easy to get principles wrong, and a determined person acting on mistaken principles could really do some damage." - Larissa MacFarquhar
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