Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

It isn't dead. All it needs is a strategy and some principled Senators to get behind it, and piece of legislation that can act as a flashpoint... a Prop 8 moment.

It's funny that you are now insisting that change must come from the top down. I really don't think it works that way.

ETA: Or maybe I don't think it works that way in this environment in particular. A White House that wanted to push for justice could potentially foster change with a less broad social movement behind it, but we don't have one of those right now.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Sounds like POTUS turned the volume up a little in Phoenix last night, but is losing a little of his grip on his audience, who were checking their phones during the (long) speech and drifting out of the exits of a not-full room before he was done. How does he react as the thrill is going?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

It's funny that you are now insisting that change must come from the top down. I really don't think it works that way.

ETA: Or maybe I don't think it works that way in this environment in particular. A White House that wanted to push for justice could potentially foster change with a less broad social movement behind it, but we don't have one of those right now.

I don't know what he is talking about with "legislation." The only laws about gay rights were things like DOMA or states banning marriage. That issue played out through the courts.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I don't know what he is talking about with "legislation." The only laws about gay rights were things like DOMA or states banning marriage. That issue played out through the courts.

Mostly, but Minnesota adopted gay marriage via legislation the summer after having rejected a constitutional amendment to ban it at the prior election. Hawaii had adopted it by legislation years before (2009, because I just Googled; ETA my memory of that Googling was wrong, it was 2013).

Off the top of my head I can't think of others, but there might have been.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I don't know what he is talking about with "legislation." The only laws about gay rights were things like DOMA or states banning marriage. That issue played out through the courts.

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Also, there were decades worth of gay rights activism around various issues (remember ACT UP?) before marriage equality became a thing. No one stopped to become unified and coordinated, or worried about looking reasonable.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Totally off topic: Does anyone know how it works when a litigant successfully garnishes someone's wages? How do you enforce on that kind of court order?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Totally off topic: Does anyone know how it works when a litigant successfully garnishes someone's wages? How do you enforce on that kind of court order?

I believe you serve the work place.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I believe you serve the work place.

When served, what does the employer do to comply?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

When served, what does the employer do to comply?

calls his lawyer? I'm sure you serve with bank account info and they send the money there?

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

calls his lawyer? I'm sure you serve with bank account info and they send the money there?

It depends upon the state. For example, some states have limits on how large a chunk of the paycheck can be garnished. Others exempt a "head of household" from having *wages* (sometimes including 1099 income as wages, other times 1099 income is not considered a wage) garnished.

The amount permitted by the state to be garnished is then usually deducted from the judgment debtor's paycheck and sent to the judgment creditor.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

So much truth.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Totally off topic: Does anyone know how it works when a litigant successfully garnishes someone's wages? How do you enforce on that kind of court order?

Typically by serving a writ of execution or garnishee interrogatories on the employer.

Varies by state. If it's a consumer/commercial guarantee creditor, there are lots of exemptions. If it's spousal support, don't bother contesting.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

When you clearly are not this stupid and yet respond this way, I too wish to do violence with lumber.

I didn't say very few identify as moderate. I said very few actually are moderate, for example because a person who always votes for lower taxes is in fact a conservative ideologue even if they call themselves moderate.

I was running three conversations. It's hard to deal with Ty and Hank and TM at once. Don't take it as a slight, but I don't think about my replies to you in as much detail.

Like this last comment of yours... A tax voter is an ideologue?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

I asked you before but you didn't answer. Which people seeking equality do you think need to wait so as to avoid excessive focus on "identity politics?"

Everybody but BLM. Justice reform first.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Sounds like POTUS turned the volume up a little in Phoenix last night, but is losing a little of his grip on his audience, who were checking their phones during the (long) speech and drifting out of the exits of a not-full room before he was done. How does he react as the thrill is going?

Nobody sober wants to hear In a Gadda da Vida, again.