Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I trust other women.

That's really it. Leaving aside the right to control your own body, the woman in question is also just so much better positioned to make the right decisions than literally anyone else.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

And the next follow up question is, if the Church was seriously committed to atoning for the grievous sins it committed in facilitating and then covering up and actively obstructing the investigation of the largest pedophilia ring in recorded history, why was Cardinal Law promoted to an honorary position in Rome, instead of being excommunicated as he should have been? It was my church, too, although I left it well before I had any knowledge of the rampant pedophilia. I simply thought it was a crock of shit. I understand brushing off outdated and universally ignored doctrine on birth control, but do you really feel that the church has done enough to to move on from that issue? I say this as one who knows many people, including my father, who still attend Catholic church in or around Boston, so I'm not condemning you, but genuinely mystified about how so many people were able to get past this issue.

On the topic of horrible men using religion as a cover for their own serious criminal and moral failings, I hope that piece of shit Roy Moore burns at the stake.

Serious flower is worst flower.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Serious flower is worst flower.

You're right. Forget I asked. I don't even really care -- people have their own reasons for things. I would like to see Moore go down hard, NPI, though. I'm sorry again about the belt ordeal you had. Except that I'm not sorry. True story, I almost changed my signature line because that whole sorry no sorry thing became so intolerably omnipresent. But I didn't. Because I remain uncontrite.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I almost changed my signature line because that whole sorry no sorry thing became so intolerably omnipresent. But I didn't. Because I remain uncontrite.

"I guess it comes down to a simple choice, really. Get busy living or get busy dying."

Andy Dupree

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I would like to see Moore go down hard, NPI, though.

Donate to Doug Jones, and tell your friends.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

You're right. Forget I asked. I don't even really care -- people have their own reasons for things. I would like to see Moore go down hard, NPI, though. I'm sorry again about the belt ordeal you had. Except that I'm not sorry. True story, I almost changed my signature line because that whole sorry no sorry thing became so intolerably omnipresent. But I didn't. Because I remain uncontrite.

What's really amazing is that this lawyers talking politics board has completely ignored the insane Rand Paul assault story.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Right, because you and Keynes are wrong about the degree, magnitude and rapidity of change due to technological progress. Most importantly because our list of needs and wants expands just as quickly.

The needs are shrinking. That was the whole point of the cell phone example I used.

What happens to the money people aren't spending?

There is no savings glut. Wages are following spending. Spending is going off Keynes' "cliff" because the cost of what people want is so small, as most of it's provided by tech.* It's deflationary.

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* Think of it like an "experience" vs. goods economy. Only instead of you spending $$$ to experience a week in Utah powder, or $$ in Disney, or $ at some concert, it's .00$ to busy yourself with Angry Birds or Netflix.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

A better analogy would be if I step in front of a speeding train. You say I have to stand there and accept the logical consequence - death (or worse, a child). But I can take another step and avoid that consequence.

Mic drop. This ends the conversation. Except in 'Merica, of course.

When do we get the War on Logic? We've had the War on Facts. Isn't that next?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

It's not "oppression" for people to bear the logical and natural consequences of their actions. Pro-lifers are generally willing to concede that abortion should be permissible for those who were impregnated involuntarily.

If someone does a bunch of drugs, is society "forcing them into forcibly" being high?

Then those would be PLINOs. Because the pro-life stance is, Life Begins at Conception.

You don't get to make exceptions regarding when life begins if you believe there's a universally applicable start date. The difference between a rape and a broken condom is no difference at all to a true pro-lifer. A person believing in exceptions has kicked the door into the dread moral relativism.

But all that aside, let's address the Calivinist creepiness of the "acceptance of responsibility" argument, and abortion's comparison to drug abuse.

A person who consumes drugs retains the ability to regain control of his/her body. A woman who is impregnated has no such control if law precludes her from abortion. Outside rape, neither has been "forced" to their circumstance. These situations are indistinguishable, and to the extent so, they should be rectified. Why is the person who's taken drugs given the opportunity to retake control of his/her life, but the person who's found herself pregnant not allowed to do so?

There's nothing more debased and loathsome than a Calvinist. Not because these people are sexually frustrated creeps and control freaks. Because they're as shitty with logic as Catholics, but lacking any semblance of that mildly endearing Catholic forgiveness.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

What's really amazing is that this lawyers talking politics board has completely ignored the insane Rand Paul assault story.

I thought I said something about my suspicion that the "shrubbery" in issue might have recreational uses.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

And the next follow up question is, if the Church was seriously committed to atoning for the grievous sins it committed in facilitating and then covering up and actively obstructing the investigation of the largest pedophilia ring in recorded history, why was Cardinal Law promoted to an honorary position in Rome, instead of being excommunicated as he should have been? It was my church, too, although I left it well before I had any knowledge of the rampant pedophilia. I simply thought it was a crock of shit. I understand brushing off outdated and universally ignored doctrine on birth control, but do you really feel that the church has done enough to to move on from that issue? I say this as one who knows many people, including my father, who still attend Catholic church in or around Boston, so I'm not condemning you, but genuinely mystified about how so many people were able to get past this issue.

On the topic of horrible men using religion as a cover for their own serious criminal and moral failings, I hope that piece of shit Roy Moore burns at the stake.

Regarding Moore, I'm willing to light the fire.

I think the state of sin you see in the Church barring women from the priesthood, sheltering and even encouraging a bunch of pedophiles as Priests, and having twisted notions on birth control that contribute to the AIDs crisis (in Africa in particular) are all closely related. The choice we all have with broken institutions is whether we stick around and try to fix them or abandon them and let them burn (or even light the match to burn them).

Both are legitimate responses. I have no idea how one can stick with the Repubs, for example, and their broken institution, at this point, and I understand if someone feels the same way about the Catholic Church, though the Church as least has some kick-ass Maryknolls to point to as a redeeming feature, where the Repubs got... nothing.

[Hank Chinaski]

Best The Wire quote:

1 "All in the game, yo!"

2 "You come at the King, you best not miss!"

3 "you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, but it's the other way!"

4 ???????

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Best The Wire quote:

1 "All in the game, yo!"

2 "You come at the King, you best not miss!"

3 "you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, you want it to be one way, but it's the other way!"

4 ???????

Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

What's really amazing is that this lawyers talking politics board has completely ignored the insane Rand Paul assault story.

Who among us can't picture Rand Paul as the neighbor who is sufficiently insufferable to inspire an ass-whooping?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The needs are shrinking. That was the whole point of the cell phone example I used.

Yes and it's wrong, which you'd realize if you'd stop for even a second to consider your own purchases.

Not only do you buy pretty much all the same stuff as you did 20 years ago, you buy stuff that didn't exist then. Like a new smartphone every few years.

Wages are following spending.

Look, if we're going to have these conversations, could you at least pretend to to account for data?

ETA: Aggregate wages are not falling. Spending is not falling. Given the first fact, aggregate spending cannot fall without creating savings. This is not difficult.

Only instead of you spending $$$ to experience a week in Utah powder, or $$ in Disney, or $ at some concert, it's .00$ to busy yourself with Angry Birds or Netflix.

Which is why sky resorts, Disney and concerts are all going out of business...