Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Not a Roy Moore fan, but I'm not comfortable with the idea that the Senate should expel him if Alabama voters decide that he's the guy that ought to be representing them.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Not a Roy Moore fan, but I'm not comfortable with the idea that the Senate should expel him if Alabama voters decide that he's the guy that ought to be representing them.

I assume you mean "should not expel him for that", right?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

I assume you mean "should not expel him for that", right?

If his history of skeezy and awful conduct towards young women is considered by voters and they elect him instead of Doug Jones, I don't think it's legit for the Senate to decide to undo that.

[sgtclub]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If his history of skeezy and awful conduct towards young women is considered by voters and they elect him instead of Doug Jones, I don't think it's legit for the Senate to decide to undo that.

I get that. But then do you not agree that with the Senate's decorum rules?

[Ty@50]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

If his history of skeezy and awful conduct towards young women is considered by voters and they elect him instead of Doug Jones, I don't think it's legit for the Senate to decide to undo that.

5 years, 5 short years, and I'll realize that Clinton squeaking by being impeached and removed means that Moore's shit is certainly ok by the Senate.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sgtclub

I get that. But then do you not agree that with the Senate's decorum rules?

Decorum seems like a different issue.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Ty@50

5 years, 5 short years, and I'll realize that Clinton squeaking by being impeached and removed means that Moore's shit is certainly ok by the Senate.

This sock is going to have to switch over to youthful idealism sometime soon.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Decorum seems like a different issue.

Decorum is not the issue. None of these fucks care about decorum, unless that is a cover word for "discretion." What they dont want is investigation or litigation that might get internal. Thus, every single one (except Rand Paul) has called on Roy to not open the vault by coming into the Chamber. Rand Paul is (maybe unintentionally) my hero.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Not a Roy Moore fan, but I'm not comfortable with the idea that the Senate should expel him if Alabama voters decide that he's the guy that ought to be representing them.

I am. The device exists for a reason. Moore is exactly the sort of extreme phenomenon it is intended to address. I'm not concerned that disgust over a candidate's pedophilia is the first step on a slippery slope.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Adder

Right after Republicans reconsider the Groper In Chief in the White House.

Unfortunately, the GOP will likely follow the lead of the Democrats in this regard: they'll do it only when there are zero political consequences and when they can opportunistically claim some moral high ground for doing so.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

Unfortunately, the GOP will likely follow the lead of the Democrats in this regard: they'll do it only when there are zero political consequences and when they can opportunistically claim some moral high ground for doing so.

Uh huh. Locally, a (Dem) state senator is accused of creeping on and groping a colleague and sending one or more dick picks (not keeping up with the exact details). Everyone from the Dem governor, party chair and legislative leadership has called for him to resign. Also the GOP party chair.

Meanwhile, a GOP member of the house is accused of sending inappropriate texts ("I got caught checking you out on the house floor but it's your fault because you looked too good") to the same colleague as well as cornering a female lobbyist in his office while telling her about his erection and, admittedly, texting her 40 times to ask her out.

GOP party chair says it's not her job to call for him to resign. Don't think any of his party's leadership has made that call either.

The parties just are not equivalent here. There are bad actors in both. Only one will police itself.

Oh, and there's a story about Al Franken forcibly kissing a fellow performer on a USO tour and a picture of him touching her chest while she's visibly asleep on the plane home. We will see what happens.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I am. The device exists for a reason. Moore is exactly the sort of extreme phenomenon it is intended to address. I'm not concerned that disgust over a candidate's pedophilia is the first step on a slippery slope.

I agree with this. Especially since I would like to believe that Moore's backers are doing so solely because they (idiotically) believe a Democrat would be worse. Take out Moore, and hopefully a non-pedo GOP gets the seat.

And I agree with sgt club on the accusers. I believe Clinton's accusers, as I did Trump's, Moore's and GHWB's. I have actually heard some kind of squicky stuff about Bush 41 from the 80s that I consider to be from a knowing source.

I guess I am just tired of the left's belated enlightenment on things. Like when Romney was mocked for his 80's foreign policy, but what do you know? Russia is a super serious threat now. And the pieces about Bill come out only after they ridiculed Romney for his binders of women and Pence for trying to remain above reproach in relationships with women (though I hate Pence and calling his wife "Mother" is totally worthy of being mocked).

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Oddly, I think "if the poor whites only knew" doesn't give them enough credit. They know. It's just that they what they really care about is relative status. They can't band together with groups that they view as below them.

I'm beginning to buy this. And it's leading me to Coltrane's lament: Most people are seriously fucking useless (and in many instances, we'd be much better off without them).

[Adder]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

Pence for trying to remain above reproach in relationships with women

I'm sorry, but locking women out of opportunities isn't an acceptable way to "try to stay above reproach."

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

I agree with this. Especially since I would like to believe that Moore's backers are doing so solely because they (idiotically) believe a Democrat would be worse. Take out Moore, and hopefully a non-pedo GOP gets the seat.

And I agree with sgt club on the accusers. I believe Clinton's accusers, as I did Trump's, Moore's and GHWB's. I have actually heard some kind of squicky stuff about Bush 41 from the 80s that I consider to be from a knowing source.

I guess I am just tired of the left's belated enlightenment on things. Like when Romney was mocked for his 80's foreign policy, but what do you know? Russia is a super serious threat now. And the pieces about Bill come out only after they ridiculed Romney for his binders of women and Pence for trying to remain above reproach in relationships with women (though I hate Pence and calling his wife "Mother" is totally worthy of being mocked).

I remain deeply skeptical of the rape allegation against Clinton. Scaife was a mad dog, and it's one story, totally unlike all of the others in terms of its detail and violence. I can't leave the suspicion cash was exchanged for it. It's got that UVA frat house rape quality to it. Sounds concocted.

The philandering allegations against Clinton? I believe those. I know people who've been around him socially. He and Trump aren't very much different there.

Moore is a Jimmy Swaggart with pedophile proclivities. If Alabama can't do the right thing, we Yanks should do it for them.

I'm running quite low on tolerance for "old Southern" culture these days. It's not genteel, it's not unique, and it's not "traditional." Any locale that coughs up a Roy Moore should be stripped of statehood and renamed a National Trailer Park.