We are all Slave now. - Page 208

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-25-2018, 12:54 PM

Kavanaugh is going to get his seat the way Ted Cruz wins debates.
(Really just an excuse to share a story.)

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 09-25-2018, 01:05 PM

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Sure.

And while we are waiting you can explain to me how the Democrats going from +6 governorships in 2007 to -16 in 2017 is mostly due to gerrymandering and vote suppression.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with ideas.

I'm sure there are places that are idea-driven, places that are personality driven, and places that are reactive - there was a lot of hate for the ACA driving it for a period, for example, with any real "ideas" about healthcare getting seriously put on the table. The last decade wasn't kind to Democrats, other than getting our number one national priority put in place. Oh, and things like Marriage Equality becoming widely accepted.

But what I'd really like to know are your thoughts on the battle between Beto and Rafael. Which one likes BBQ more and what's a whattaburger anyways?

Hank Chinaski · 09-25-2018, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

our number one national priority put in place.

What's weird is that you guys did do this, but there are dem talking points that our Health care sucks. Which?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 09-25-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

What's weird is that you guys did do this, but there are dem talking points that our Health care sucks. Which?

Have you noticed large sections have been repealed, others have not been funded, and small fixes that could be made aren't being made?

Hank Chinaski · 09-25-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Have you noticed large sections have been repealed, others have not been funded,

Oh, you mean those Obama orders?

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-25-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I'm sure there are places that are idea-driven, places that are personality driven, and places that are reactive - there was a lot of hate for the ACA driving it for a period, for example, with any real "ideas" about healthcare getting seriously put on the table. The last decade wasn't kind to Democrats, other than getting our number one national priority put in place. Oh, and things like Marriage Equality becoming widely accepted.

But what I'd really like to know are your thoughts on the battle between Beto and Rafael. Which one likes BBQ more and what's a whattaburger anyways?

Those Tea Partiers who wanted a balance budget and to end government interference with Medicare -- whose ideas do we count them as supporting?

A mistake too many Democrats make is to see politics as a simple competition between policy agendas, so it's refreshing to see a conservative making it too.

sebastian_dangerfield · 09-25-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Those Tea Partiers who wanted a balance budget and to end government interference with Medicare -- whose ideas do we count them as supporting?

A mistake too many Democrats make is to see politics as a simple competition between policy agendas, so it's refreshing to see a conservative making it too.

Giridharadas is excellent on this issue. This place would hate him, but his point stands:

You get as much difference between the parties on important economic issues as their benefactors allow them to offer.

What this means is, the GOP can fuck everybody and funnel all the wealth to the top without apology. The Democrats can funnel a little less, until the same corporate masters deem it “too much reform,” and say, “that’s enough... you’re hitting my bottom line now.”

Then they divide us and get us fighting over social issues.

I absolutely love Giridharadas’ simple but brilliant intro consideration: “Did you ever wonder why all of the solutions to global problems offered by alleged big-brained credentialed consultants and policy wonks always happen to dovetail with policies and aims favored by corporations?” (Paraphrased)

The problem isn’t that “elites” have too much power. The problem is most are of them are boring, maleducated clones captured and brainwashed by corporate shepherds.

I love this guy. Love him.

ThurgreedMarshall · 09-25-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Oh, you mean those Obama orders?

You're a jackass.

TM

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-25-2018, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Giridharadas is excellent on this issue. This place would hate him, but his point stands:

You get as much difference between the parties on important economic issues as their benefactors allow them to offer.

What this means is, the GOP can fuck everybody and funnel all the wealth to the top without apology. The Democrats can funnel a little less, until the same corporate masters deem it “too much reform,” and say, “that’s enough... you’re hitting my bottom line now.”

Then they divide us and get us fighting over social issues.

I absolutely love Giridharadas’ simple but brilliant intro consideration: “Did you ever wonder why all of the solutions to global problems offered by alleged big-brained credentialed consultants and policy wonks always happen to dovetail with policies and aims favored by corporations?” (Paraphrased)

The problem isn’t that “elites” have too much power. The problem is most are of them are boring, maleducated clones captured and brainwashed by corporate shepherds.

I love this guy. Love him.

I saw it at a bookstore on Sunday and almost bought it but I have such a backlog right now. Glad to hear it's good.

Tyrone Slothrop · 09-25-2018, 03:07 PM

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sebastian_dangerfield · 09-25-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I saw it at a bookstore on Sunday and almost bought it but I have such a backlog right now. Glad to hear it's good.

It’s well framed. The indictment of market thinking run amuck as the ultimate cause of all that ails us is hard to rebut.

Of course, most detractors are branding him a socialist already. I don’t see him any more a socialist than the partly-socialists we all are already.