We are all Slave now.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

When Trump leaves we will still be living with all the people who support him. Making him out to be the problem makes as much sense as it did to think that Obama could solve everything.

I just want the nazis, white nationalists, racists, and other extremists who are key to this coalition to go back under their rocks and feel some shame. I see the Mercer's, one of the largest funders of the alt-right, are starting to go quiet now that people are coming to understand just how much they have done for white nationalists and racists in the country. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...donations-over

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I don't see him resigning*, or being impeached. I think the best we can hope for is: " Since I have already fixed America in my 4 years I am not running for re-election. I only ask that the next President take a lesson and not ruin what I have done."

*Wild card being if he thinks there are actually scary crimes, he could resign the last few weeks of his Presidency to let Pence pardon him?

He needs to hear from McConnell that he’s done. At which point he needs to make a play for a Pence pardon. No one involved seems to think it’s time yet, though.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I just want the nazis, white nationalists, racists, and other extremists who are key to this coalition to go back under their rocks and feel some shame. I see the Mercer's, one of the largest funders of the alt-right, are starting to go quiet now that people are coming to understand just how much they have done for white nationalists and racists in the country. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...donations-over

The current moment is fascinating. This crap still has political purchase, but will get you fired from just about any job. I still think the latter is a strong enough force to eventually constrain the latter, but I don’t want to find out.

[Adder]

Today in too much to drink for the holidays: bartender at the sports bar for the game reminded me of my high school girlfriend (ie dirty nerd hot) until I realized that we are likely old enough to have been her parents.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Adder

Today in too much to drink for the holidays: bartender at the sports bar for the game reminded me of my high school girlfriend (ie dirty nerd hot) until I realized that we are likely old enough to have been her parents.

Melbourne. All the girls look like Margo Robbie.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So you believe he taught them hate?

They changed first, and he took advantage of it. He is driving change too, but the big problem is conservatives, not Trump. Sebby is right that he is at least as much symptom as cause. But, to use Sebby's metaphor, the disease is in conservatives.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Off my corner. (But I'd phrase it a bit differently. "We will still have to live with the economic and social problems that assisted in causing him, because most of us doing alright don't like the economic solutions we know we'd have to apply to address those problems.")

You have a pathological need to avoid holding conservatives responsible for anything.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

He needs to hear from McConnell that he’s done.

It's cute that you think he'd listen.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You have a pathological need to avoid holding conservatives responsible for anything.

Where did I absolve them? They were the biggest proponents of neoliberal economic policies. ...Until they went nuts and became populists.

This is not about conservatives or liberals or Rs or Ds.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

They changed first, and he took advantage of it. He is driving change too, but the big problem is conservatives, not Trump. Sebby is right that he is at least as much symptom as cause. But, to use Sebby's metaphor, the disease is in conservatives.

Use the correct term: Populist Nationalists.

These Trump followers aren't conservatives. You can't be anti-trade and assume that label.

The disease has totally overtaken the host at this point. I don't see a GOP anymore. I see a bunch of bickering factions only aligned in the fact that they don't want to pay more in taxes.

Trump's a clown. What Follows Trump is going to be interesting.

An aside... I ran into an old line R congressman the other nite. I asked if he'd worked with Trump and if Trump was truly as dumb as he seemed. This person said he's actually quite smart, but does not like to read, has no patience, and doesn't wish to become informed on issues because that would cause him to rethink his planks, and it's easier for him to just ignore criticism and chug ahead. That's the description of a strange, lazy person.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Where did I absolve them? They were the biggest proponents of neoliberal economic policies. ...Until they went nuts and became populists.

"We will still have to live with the economic and social problems that assisted in causing him...."

Conservatives support him. That is the problem. They choose to do it. You don't like to say that, or to acknowledge that they make choices that lead to Trump. You absolve them by blaming everyone or no one -- by blaming "problems" instead of people.

This is not about conservatives or liberals or Rs or Ds.

Conservatives and Rs vote for Trump and Republicans. Liberals and Ds do not.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

These Trump followers aren't conservatives. You can't be anti-trade and assume that label.

It's a bummer for people like SEC Chick who have seen their movement hijacked and taken in a different direction, but that's what conservatism is now. Most people who call themselves conservatives support Trump.

And there is a lot more continuity between Trump and conservatism than some people want to admit. The discontinuities turn out to be not that important to most conservative voters.

An aside... I ran into an old line R congressman the other nite. I asked if he'd worked with Trump and if Trump was truly as dumb as he seemed. This person said he's actually quite smart, but does not like to read, has no patience, and doesn't wish to become informed on issues because that would cause him to rethink his planks, and it's easier for him to just ignore criticism and chug ahead. That's the description of a strange, lazy person.

He's a narcissist. He's not interested in other things.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's cute that you think he'd listen.

The S&P falls low enough, McConnell will start listening to his constituents - the super rich.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

The S&P falls low enough, McConnell will start listening to his constituents - the super rich.

McConnell can listen. I was talking about Trump. He will listen to McConnell only as long as McConnell is telling him what he wants to hear. McConnell is not the kind of guy Trump has any respect for.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

McConnell can listen. I was talking about Trump. He will listen to McConnell only as long as McConnell is telling him what he wants to hear. McConnell is not the kind of guy Trump has any respect for.

Would you like me to tell Trump something?