Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

It's not all about money, but the AIPAC expenditures sure don't hurt. And Adelson (probably the Israel supporter who has done the most to tie together the radical right in the US and Netanyahu and the anti-Peace crowd in Israel) does indeed expect a return on his investments.

Adelson may not be getting any returns soon - https://forward.com/fast-forward/420...delson-cancer/

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I was a baby, but I'm sure wonk can confirm- I think the Kennedy/Vatican thing was a new piece of hate- namely a Catholic will listen to what the Pope wants above what the country needs. I'm not aware there was a history of such hate.

The 1800s would like to have a word with you.





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[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

People said the same thing about Al Smith in 1928.

FFS. Did none of you people learn about the Know Nothings? See “The Gangs of New York”? Listen to any speaker at any St. Patrick’s Day event ever?

Anti-Catholicism in America predates the Consitution by a good 100 years - the William and Mary had colonial support during the Glorious Revolution, and Royal governors appointed by James II were suspected of being closer Papists and were ousted with glee.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

When there is a mixture of good faith concern about intended or unintended connotations of your words and bad faith opportunistic attacks, raising your sensitivity level may avoid the former and better allow you to take the moral high ground against the latter. I mean, you're not going to change this guy's opinion -

https://twitter.com/ArthurSchwartz/s...09389392498688

- but you may give him less ammunition.

Damn. Two Conholio sightings in a month.

And Flower nails it.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Paul Waldman (cites omitted):

Sadly, between the Texas teacher getting fired for supporting BDS and Meir Kahane’s terrorist thug party becoming part of the Israeli government, I’m being more and more tempted to channel Jim Baker re AIPAC et al. and say that they can go fuck themselves. They’re becoming a version of the NRA, divorced from anything other than blind loyalty to the Judea and Samaria crowd.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I was asking about the incorrect facts. The meme seemed to hint it was more than the chicken, which could explain some of the displeasure. The piano player seemed a very odd duck. But if the story bails on the truth anyway, I could see writing him less odd.

I'm in the middle of Blackkklansman which I wanted to like, but man is it plodding. I normally love spike but this one is tough. Not sure which should have won between the two. Probably something else?

I agree DTRT should have gotten something more. FWIW I think Mo Better Blues is his masterpiece.

I’m a fan of 25th Hour, and this love poem to TCOTU.

[Not Bob]

My God. I have become Wonk. Fringey warned me this could happen.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

3. I think black people are fairly sick of white savior movies. I know white people love this shit, but it's enough already.

So you're not up for a Bernie Sanders biopic?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

Sadly, between the Texas teacher getting fired for supporting BDS and Meir Kahane’s terrorist thug party becoming part of the Israeli government, I’m being more and more tempted to channel Jim Baker re AIPAC et al. and say that they can go fuck themselves. They’re becoming a version of the NRA, divorced from anything other than blind loyalty to the Judea and Samaria crowd.

The thing is, under Netanyahu, there's just not a lot of space between Likud and the Kahane crowd. It looks like more of the Israeli electorate is reacting to him right now, maybe there is hope. Maybe not.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

My God. I have become Wonk. Fringey warned me this could happen.

We are all Wonk.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

FFS. Did none of you people learn about the Know Nothings? See “The Gangs of New York”? Listen to any speaker at any St. Patrick’s Day event ever?

Anti-Catholicism in America predates the Consitution by a good 100 years - the William and Mary had colonial support during the Glorious Revolution, and Royal governors appointed by James II were suspected of being closer Papists and were ousted with glee.

Massachusetts at one point specifically outlawed Papists.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Adelson may not be getting any returns soon - https://forward.com/fast-forward/420...delson-cancer/

So I share a form of cancer with Sheldon.

May he leave his money to the LLS .

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm in the middle of Blackkklansman which I wanted to like, but man is it plodding.

I'd watched the first hour. The second hour was great.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Not Bob

The 1800s would like to have a word with you.





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You realize you're making my point? I am a dago wop and had no idea.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Ahh, this explains it. You don't know what you're talking about, but still have very clear opinions.

The musician is an uber educated doctor (as in PhD) who is quite bothered by the white guy's loutish behavior. He often expresses the view that the white's behavior/speech etc. is unacceptable coming from his driver. The level of this displeasure is limited in the movie, but if we got more of it, it might be harder to like the doctor (again that is the musician). Also, a flaw in the movie (which cannot possibly have been the best movie, as it has flaws) is that the doctor
has some peculiar aspects that are not explained. Example: he sits on a throne when greeting visitors. Why? Who knows. He also seems to have no interaction with anyone other than his man servant. He might be a very weird person is he were more the focus.

Now, it is supposed to be "based upon a true story." One could have written the story to make him less unlikable and strange. But then, see, that "true story" stuff would go away.

The white guy is lead because the back story is his family. The doctor (again this is the musician) has no apparent family, so the equivalent scenes would have been him sitting on a throne ordering his butler around.

Again, making the movie from the doctor's (Ty- this is the musician) POV might result in a less desirable movie because of who the doctor seems to have been. I guess my question was how can people just reject the movie based on who is lead, when it seems to be possibly a clear choice for story purpose. But maybe you've answered the question? Ignorance combined with a lack of story telling ability?

As TM says, the choice of perspective, of putting the white character at the center and making the black character peripheral to him is a choice. One could make movies about black men, but Hollywood doesn't do that so much, Black Panther excepted.