Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

I think the people not swayed by the "free everything" message are everywhere.

Free college is impossible. But a plan to allow discharge of student loan debt through bankruptcy would discipline that education market by driving up rates. As rates increase, tuition necessarily has to fall.

There are also ethical and basic economic arguments that no lender should ever be able to make a non-dischargeable loan. That’s a perversion of the basic risk/reward concept of lending. It’s fucking insane. Private lenders still holding student loan paper should lose their asses.

Re other free shit, Ds proudly professing support for free health care for illegals are insane. They’re giving the finger to all the centrist Ds. Incredibly stupid. Not even justifiable using the “this policy subsidizes unskilled labor Americans will not perform” argument.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I think the people who worry about health problems that bankrupt them before killing them are everywhere. And, remember, Dems balance budgets. Rs don't, they just cut taxes for the wealthy and borrow money for our kids to pay off.

But we can do without the "I'm American and you're not" tone of that bastard. That's unAmerican. As to ordinary voters, I think the only person on here he may be describing is Sebby - I mean, he's your basic half-wit American male in a swing state. Let's hope to God we can do better than that, I mean, Hank's a swing voter, and he actually swings.

You’re such a tool. Who didn’t fuck you in HS that you’re still angry about?

I generally ignore your ad hominems, but my god, you are such a contrived personality. And so insecure. You might be the closest personality to Trump on this board. You’re like some bitter middling intellect who landed here when DailyKos became uncool.

I stopped swinging years ago. I woke up on #4’s green after the last key party.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

National health would be a smart program but you can't promise that along with a tax only on the rich and be taken seriously. Advertise truly. "To establish a national health program, we are establishing a $5 a gallon gas tax, a 10% VAT tax and a 20% income tax increase."

Also look at all the countries higher than us on the quality of life scale. How many of them can you just emigrate to?

If either party advertised truly, it’d never win another majority.

Re immigration, this looks interesting: https://www.amazon.com/Levelling-Wha.../dp/1541724062

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

National health would be a smart program but you can't promise that along with a tax only on the rich and be taken seriously. Advertise truly. "To establish a national health program, we are establishing a $5 a gallon gas tax, a 10% VAT tax and a 20% income tax increase."

Also look at all the countries higher than us on the quality of life scale. How many of them can you just emigrate to?

Actually, for me personally, the number appears to be 2, and I'm still pissed about my father not getting Canadian citizenship when he could have.

As to national health, the US has totally anomalous costs compared to the rest of the world, and that increased cost is going somewhere; I'll be the first to say that the ACA, as good as it was in many ways, only took a half-hearted swing at the expense side of the equation.

I've spent a lot of time in this area, and I think that we could cover the cost of getting to universal insurance with less than half of what Trump's tax cuts cost us - just reversing that bill can give Ds a lot of money to cover both a universal healthcare approach and some major impact educational programs. I've got my own idea of where I'd spend in education, but a key is that on the cost side Dems can say, we'll undo that bill, put in place a pure working & middle class tax cut with a portion of the money saved, and still have funding for substantial expansion of healthcare and more educational opportunity.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Ds proudly professing support for free health care for illegals are insane.

Assume someone has applied for asylum here and not returned home but had no decision on asylum yet - so they're undocumented. They also have little money. Their five year old kid is brought to the hospital with a 103 degree fever, dehydration, phosphorescent puke, and pains in their abdomen. She may have a burst appendix, or she may have one of several other serious ailments, but needs medical attention.

What should the hospital do, and who should pay for it?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Free college is impossible. But a plan to allow discharge of student loan debt through bankruptcy would discipline that education market by driving up rates. As rates increase, tuition necessarily has to fall.

There are also ethical and basic economic arguments that no lender should ever be able to make a non-dischargeable loan. That’s a perversion of the basic risk/reward concept of lending. It’s fucking insane. Private lenders still holding student loan paper should lose their asses.

Actually makes sense and would discipline the lenders and borrowers. So maybe us poor folks take the academic rides instead of the expensive higher tier schools.
Would've saved me a shit ton.

Re other free shit, Ds proudly professing support for free health care for illegals are insane. They’re giving the finger to all the centrist Ds. Incredibly stupid. Not even justifiable using the “this policy subsidizes unskilled labor Americans will not perform” argument.

Arguing that is just a guaranteed L.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Arguing that is just a guaranteed L.

Assuming we get to a universal coverage approach, why wouldn't you include everyone on it? Increases the size of pool. They'd pay what others pay.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Arguing that is just a guaranteed L.

Every one of them raised their hands in support? I mean it has no chance to get through the house let alone the Senate- why give Trump his first campaign commercial?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Assuming we get to a universal coverage approach, why wouldn't you include everyone on it? Increases the size of pool. They'd pay what others pay.

I am not saying the concept is a pure L.

Arguing for it is an L in 2020.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Assume someone has applied for asylum here and not returned home but had no decision on asylum yet - so they're undocumented. They also have little money. Their five year old kid is brought to the hospital with a 103 degree fever, dehydration, phosphorescent puke, and pains in their abdomen. She may have a burst appendix, or she may have one of several other serious ailments, but needs medical attention.

What should the hospital do, and who should pay for it?

Of course that’s paid. No one is arguing against that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Every one of them raised their hands in support? I mean it has no chance to get through the house let alone the Senate- why give Trump his first campaign commercial?

They’re as dumb as the tea party.

It’s not a subject of much press, but the R gains absent tea party interference would have been insane.

The tea party were like an MCL tear for the GOP.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

I am not saying the concept is a pure L.

Arguing for it is an L in 2020.

In 2024 it will be even more difficult. Supply chain disruptions are the most important element of foreign policy.

Putin stands to do decently well as Russia’s permafrost goes. They have a single fjord/lake there with 20% of global freshwater.

We fight over who picks the strawberries. China laughs. Russia rides along. And we listen to people like GGG, as though they’ve a clue.

Have those people even met a Russian foreign emissary? Russians wouldn’t even talk to a shithead like that.

The best thing anyone can do for the left side is shut up the children like GGG. The left doesn’t need a tea party/faux intellectual wing. It needs a serious crowd that can explain how things might emerge going forward and the policies we might need to do well in this shifting global environment.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Of course that’s paid. No one is arguing against that.

But the guy who loses his job and has to pay $3600 a month in Cobra just to extend his health plan may say, naw.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

But the guy who loses his job and has to pay $3600 a month in Cobra just to extend his health plan may say, naw.

Unless he can physically block that kid from the ER, his objection is ineffectual. It’s also ghoulish.

We’ll give that kid treatment, and we’ll try to send a bill and collect, and when we can’t we’ll write it off.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Of course that’s paid. No one is arguing against that.

By whom?