Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I suppose that you think that makes you better than me? This is America, all you Northerners with your "Calabrians are hard heads, and stupid," that doesn't fly in the US of A.

Not at all. Abruzzo is/was super poor too.

I've been to Italy twice. The food in Florence was really good. It was average in Rome. And in the Amalfi Coast it was probably the best I've ever had (mostly seafood).

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Not at all. Abruzzo is/was super poor too.

I've been to Italy twice. The food in Florence was really good. It was average in Rome. And in the Amalfi Coast it was probably the best I've ever had (mostly seafood).

you didn't try to visit family?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

you didn't try to visit family?

Hank, you don't ask that. If he's not visiting family, his family probably didn't pay all their debts before they left.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

So today’s memes about shopping Melanie into pix is because what?

Isn't about putting Ivanka into pictures with foreign leaders because she was trying to insert herself into a conversation with May, Macron & Lagarde?

eta: More explanation here.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Is there a white male athlete with whom Trump has mixed it up on Twitter? I'm not thinking of one.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

This did not happen.

Right. This happened (from the transcript):

GUTHRIE:

“—A lot of you have been talking tonight about these government healthcare plans that you proposed in one form or another. This is a show of hands question. And hold them up for a moment so people can see. Raise your hand if—if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.

(APPLAUSE)”

Everyone raised their hands.

They then explained it wasn’t free. But we all know it’s going to be almost entirely subsidized.

I don’t know enough about the plans to have a strong opinion, but I do know thus is Dumb Politics. (The optics of everyone raising hands is terrible. Creates a resonant photo. Never do that. Ever.)

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Right. This happened (from the transcript):

GUTHRIE:

“—A lot of you have been talking tonight about these government healthcare plans that you proposed in one form or another. This is a show of hands question. And hold them up for a moment so people can see. Raise your hand if—if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants.

(APPLAUSE)”

Everyone raised their hands.

They then explained it wasn’t free. But we all know it’s going to be almost entirely subsidized.

I don’t know enough about the plans to have a strong opinion, but I do know thus is Dumb Politics. (The optics of everyone raising hands is terrible. Creates a resonant photo. Never do that. Ever.)

So you processed the discussion but repeated the one-liner lie (uh, sorry, Fox talking point)? Why?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Is there a white male athlete with whom Trump has mixed it up on Twitter? I'm not thinking of one.

I don’t like him, and I’m the most athletic of you lot.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So you processed the discussion but repeated the one-liner lie (uh, sorry, Fox talking point)? Why?

What isn’t accurate? I didn’t watch, saw the picture, could make the Trump ad myself. What was it actually about?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So you processed the discussion but repeated the one-liner lie (uh, sorry, Fox talking point)? Why?

Because it’s not a lie. It’ll be almost entirely subsidized.

But also, I repeated what I saw in the NYPost, which makes fun of both Trump and Democrats.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Because it’s not a lie. It’ll be almost entirely subsidized.

But also, I repeated what I saw in the NYPost, which makes fun of both Trump and Democrats.

So you repeated it while knowing it is not true?*

There are 20 candidates with 20 different plans in different states of completion - why are you assuming it would be heavily subsidized.

A lot of immigrants here are working very hard and making respectable money.

* well, technically not true just because its false. but, hey, you have some thoughts on how even though the facts are wrong it kind of reflects .... I don't know, false with a good excuse?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

What isn’t accurate? I didn’t watch, saw the picture, could make the Trump ad myself. What was it actually about?

I didn't either. Here's what the Post did: It skipped over the canard offered by Democrats regarding how health insurance for illegals would be funded.

We all know it's going to be minimally - I mean in the tiniest imaginable amounts - funded by actual illegal immigrants. It's going to be funded by the govt.

So while it might appear the Post is lying, actually, the Post is calling out the candidates for bullshitting about what they know is not going to happen. Good on the Post there. I usually hate the Post, but here, it's Occam's Razor applied-with-a-beer-bottle-over-the-head hybrid approach worked nicely.

Anyway, as to the substance, this whole debate is dumb. Illegals aren't going to pay for care because most can't do so. So we should set aside a few billion to cover ER care for them. Anyone with an objection to that is a ghoul. We cannot turn people away from acute care. Putting aside that it's barred in most regards, no one wants to live in a country like that. It's vile.

BUT, no politician on the Right or Left can say what I just said because on the Left, putting aside a few billion for ER care for illegals is inadequate. On the Right, it's a "giveaway!" So we're doomed to see bullshitters raise their hands and bullshit about their plans on health care for illegals for the next year and a half.

If this were a cycle where Rs were running for the nomination against a D incumbent, you'd see exactly the same type of bullshit. Rs would get up there and say they'd make illegals pay money for health coverage they know illegals do not have. Or they'd talk about how they'd pass bills stopping illegals from getting access to ERs, which they know is unlawful.

The Post is the perfect sort of shitrag to cover this dumb shit.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

So you repeated it while knowing it is not true?*

There are 20 candidates with 20 different plans in different states of completion - why are you assuming it would be heavily subsidized.

A lot of immigrants here are working very hard and making respectable money.

* well, technically not true just because its false. but, hey, you have some thoughts on how even though the facts are wrong it kind of reflects .... I don't know, false with a good excuse?

Bullshit. A small fraction of illegals are making money adequate to pay real money for real health insurance. And you know that's bullshit.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They then explained it wasn’t free. But we all know it’s going to be almost entirely subsidized.

You live in a conservative dreamscape where only white, rich citizens pay taxes. And there is no waking you.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I don’t like him, and I’m the most athletic of you lot.

I was asking about his target selection, not his critics.

Come to San Jose and we can go for a run together.